Peppe Weapon

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Classifica in continuo aggiornamento, aggiungerò un gruppo solamente quando avrò abbastanza elementi su cui basarmi per un giudizio in classifica, quindi se mancano altri gruppi non fate domande e affermazioni inutili. (Ero scettico nell'inserire i Pink Floyd dato che la loro carriera "progressive" si limita ai primi album, ma ho deciso di inserirli ugualmente dato che meritano, stessa cosa gli Alan Parson's Project). Evitate commenti inutili come: i Camel così sopra? I Marillion così sotto? Questa classifica è' molto influenzata dai miei gusti personali :D
Gli alfieri del Prog Rock e del Prog Metal, capitanati dal genio di Fripp.
La punta della piramide di Canterbury. Incredibilmente etereogeneei e ispirati dal genio di Robert Wyatt.
Gli "stranieri a Canterbury", sempre alla ricerca della melodia orecchiabile senza trascurare la tecnica e le composizioni esclusivamente strumentali.
Tra i primi veri gruppi Progressive, pionieri di un sound interstellare.
Eccentrici e magniloquenti con Gabriel, barocchi con Collins, decadenti principi del pop con l'addio di Hackett
Eclettici, visionari, creatori di una lingua tutta loro da utilizzare nei loro onirici lavori.
Guidati dall'estro di Demetrio Stratos, la vetta del rock Italiano.
I falsi cugini dei Tull, più orientati verso l'Hard e il Jazz che sul Folk.
I trasformisti del prog, tra classicismo, lunghe suite ed episodi decisamente più commerciali.
I veterani del rock, tra hard folk, progressive e ballate, con l'accompagnamento dell'immancabile flauto del carismatico Ian Anderson.
I visionari autori della trilogia "Radio Gnome", creatori di un sound spaziale ed allucinato.
Progressive proveniente direttamente dalle viscere dell'inferno. Seminali.
Il nome di spicco della scena di Canterbury, con il loro sound soffice ed inconfondibile.
Tra i gruppi prog più inquietanti, fugaci e oscuri di sempre.
Il progressive rock "puro", con continui cambi di ritmo e inedite sperimentazioni sonore quasi "oggettistiche"
Psichedelici e progressisti con Barret, da Dark Side Of The Moon solo rock elettronico di consumo.
Suddivisi in più fasi, inizialmente psichedelici, successivamente raffinati.
Sprazzi di sperimentazioni Jazz-Fusion e strumentali.
Un vero e proprio diamante nascosto nella sterminata miniera del Prog-Rock
Atmosfere oscure e violini s'incontrano, accompagnati dalla voce femminile di Sonia Krjstina
Il miglior vocalist del prog italiano alla guida di una formazione vittima di pochi alti e molti bassi
Il prog-rock napoletano, fautori del capolavoro Paleopoli.

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Il rovescio della medaglia

Fugaci quanto devastanti promotori dell'Hard Prog... Contaminati poi da Bach.
Supergruppo inizialmente progressive, con alle spalle numerose collaborazioni, capitanati dalla mente di "The Dark Side Of The Moon"
Schiavi dell'ombra di Whiter Shade Of Pale, nonostante un buon prog melodico non sono riusciti a ripetersi.
Fautori di un unico, ma indimenticabile e irripetibile album... Così parlo Zarathustra.
Iniziatori della musica progressive abbinata alle componenti Jazz.
Il meglio del sound di Canterbury tutto racchiuso in questo supergruppo.
Quando l'Hard Rock incontra le suite tipiche del Prog.
Forse il gruppo più tecnicamente dotato nel movimento italiano.
Una carriera dalle mille forme: dal beat raffinato al capolavoro rappresentato da Felona & Sorona
Dall'America con furore, hanno fatto dei violini e della voce suadente di Steve Valsh.
La matrice sinfonica di Canterbury, con grandi richiami alla musica classica.

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Premiata Forneria Marconi

La più importante rappresentante del Prog dello stivale.
Dal "pop-rock" degli esordi fino al canto del cigno, prodotto principalmente da Vangelis
L'organo e le suites al potere, con l'ex vocalist dei King Crimson, Greg Lake, alla ribalta.
Criminalmente ignorati per anni, ma il tempo gli ha dato ragione.

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Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come

Space Progressive Rock folle ed alienato, capitanato dal "pazzoide" Arthur Brown.
Misconosciuti ai più, abbinano il jazz al prog in lunghe suite d'autore.
Ancora da definire nel lavoro di debutto, magnifici con Asylum, pronti per la reunion.
Progressisti "rinascimentali", dove nella formazione d'oro regnano il piano di John Tout e la voce soave della vocalist Annie Haslam.
Memorabili nella leggendaria "The Valentyne Suite".
Suite interminabili, sound spaziale e una carriera infiniti.
Una band hard-prog variegata durata troppo poco.
Dall'antica scozia un prog eccentrico tra musica classica e covers.
Un unico, ma imperdibile lavoro, tra i migliori del movimento RPI.
Gruppo napoletano dalla breve carriera, ma autore di uno dei capisaldi del prog italiano: YS.
Come fare Prog-Jazz senza usare chitarre. Imperdibile la trilogia con De Leo alla voce
Un solo album, tanta classe, ma poco successo. Meritavano di più.
Uno tra i primi esempi di Hard-Prog.
La versione aggiornata e riveduta dei Van Der Graaf Generator, ma decisamente più accessibili.
Kraut-prog spaziale senza fronzoli.
Una tra le meteore più sottovalutate del sottobosco di fine anni 60'
Il prog sentimentale ed orchestrale.
Uno dei gruppi prog più particolari del panorama italiano.http://www.debaser.it/presentation/lib/icons/text_linespacing.png
Probabilmente il primo gruppo Progressive della storia, capitanati da Keith Emerson.
I cugini tedeschi degli Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Un concerto davvero grosso e una carriera segnata dal beat.
Elettronica e rock d'avanguardia s'incontrano in un turbinio d'emozioni.
Testi dalle tinte dark e molto forti tra i marchi di fabbrica di questa band italiana.
Una cavalcata interminabile di hard e soft prog.
Il prog incontra il mercato e l'orecchiabilità, memorabili negli anni d'esordio.
Hard Prog capitanato da Rod Evans, il predecessore di Gillan.
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  • TheJargonKing
    25 mar 10
    for the series: find the intruder ...
     
  • fedezan76
    25 mar 10
    I would say find the intruders... I must say, however, that the names mentioned are all extremely valid!
     
  • panNZZOone
    25 mar 10
    Finally the Renaissance!
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    25 mar 10
    But intruders in the sense of "non-progressive" groups? Because I would define all these as progressive groups, maybe the ones that could be called not quite prog are Rush since they also have some Hard Rock elements, but all the others are undoubtedly progressive groups.
     
  • Pierpaolo
    18 may 10
    But do you know the meaning of the word progressive?... It seems to me that you don't.
     
  • TheJargonKing
    19 may 10
    Pierpaolo, it’s not a matter of knowing the meaning of a word. Mine was obviously a joke, in the sense that we’re talking about a ranking of "all-time best": there are 14 historic bands and one that is definitely more recent. Regardless of whether it’s prog or not, the intruder is clearly that one. Moreover, that word doesn’t have a true meaning; it's a concept that everyone has in their mind and labels the bands according to their own concept, not the other way around. But if you want to explain yours, feel free to do so ;-)
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    19 may 10
    So, the fact is simply that this is a personal ranking of mine, unpretentious, and it certainly isn't the bible of progressive... I've included those I prefer; among other things, I also left out Alan Parsons Project, as I’ve come to know them better and I don't feel like categorizing them in the progressive rock genre. Recently, I've only had the pleasure of listening to Porcupine Tree, so this is a ranking that will continuously update based on my knowledge... there are also other prog bands I’ve listened to, but far too little to include them in the ranking.
     
  • grancistone
    2 jul 10
    Just say that that former King Crimson singer was the wonderful Greg Lake!
     
  • A_Hungry_Wolf
    15 jul 10
    The camels on the podium leave me a bit perplexed (but also genuflected), especially after seeing the rush at the top.. (in other rankings, mind you..)
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    15 jul 10
    I placed them on the podium primarily because I love them so much, and because they managed to create an incredible blend of technique and catchiness. It's not easy to produce a bold album like The Snow Goose after having crafted one of the high points of progressive rock (not just for me), namely Mirage, only to then shift gears with the lunar atmospheres of Moonmadness and the jazz experiments of Rain Dances... Over the years, they have dwindled because they continued to make prog, but with little inspiration; however, the early albums are all at the same level and each is different.
     
  • TheJargonKing
    16 jul 10
    For Camel, I wouldn't speak of a decline due to lack of inspiration. It's just that they became too involved in the easy listening phenomenon of the late '70s and early '80s. Despite this, an album that also contains little songs like "I can see your house ..." features a gem of immense greatness like "Ice." In fact, Camel have always had significant releases and ultimately an extraordinary rebirth with the magnificent "Harbour Of Tears," a true masterpiece of melancholic and reflective prog. Andy Latimer is recovering after a very serious illness and it seems he may return to music soon. I expect another big hit from one of the most serious and consistent progressive artists ever.
     
  • A_Hungry_Wolf
    16 jul 10
    I fully agree on Snow Goose; however, it’s beyond debate that they were one of the most "adventurous" bands in prog. They remind me a bit of Gong in this regard (due to the concept/manner of understanding music rather than the aesthetic solutions) - I also agree with the following comment, the rise of disco music in the mid-70s posed challenges even for the most coherent and inspired bands, in my opinion.
     
  • Stefano90
    19 jul 10
    For my tastes: a bit high for Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Camel, and Caravan... A bit low for Yes and Gong. But they are just tastes.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    19 jul 10
    Let's say that several groups would be tied, unfortunately I can't do that; let's say the positions in the ranking are largely negligible, as anyway the difference in my personal tastes and, in my opinion, overall skill is evident across a distance of 10/11 positions.
     
  • holdsworth
    5 sep 10
    I camels and the elps I don't like at all.
     
  • zaireeka
    25 sep 10
    PFM in 18th place, after Focus. Come on!!!!! And I wouldn't really call Alan Parson Project progressive, more like electronic-psychedelic-orchestral ;-) PS. Unless I listened to Focus really distractedly.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    25 sep 10
    Looking at the introduction above is always refreshing :D
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    25 sep 10
    And anyway, the Alan Parsons' early albums were progressive, that's for sure!
     
  • cappio al pollo
    25 sep 10
    The Camel up top? The Magma down below?
     
  • CappellaioMatto
    25 sep 10
    Indeed, the Camels seem too high to me as well.
     
  • zaireeka
    25 sep 10
    You're right, anyway, the second and third albums of Cugini di Campagna (or the third and fourth, or the first and sixth, come on, I don't remember..) were very progressive, at least for me. Why did you dismiss them??
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    25 sep 10
    I understand the sarcasm, but the description above is clear... however, I'll copy it here in case non-sarcastic but serious users intervene: "Ranking continuously updated, I will add a group only when I have enough elements to base a ranking judgment on, so if there are other groups missing, don’t ask unnecessary questions and make unnecessary statements. (I was skeptical about including Pink Floyd since their 'progressive' career is limited to the early albums, but I decided to include them anyway because they deserve it, the same goes for Alan Parsons Project)." Read carefully what I wrote in parentheses. Honestly, the opinions of others are always constructive for comparison, but I certainly won't let myself be influenced by you, that’s for sure :D The explanations for my ranking are both above and in the various comments.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    25 sep 10
    Zaireeka, I’ll tell you, I didn't really like Focus at first; I think they were in 27th place, but I was blown away by part of Focus 3 and, ABOVE ALL, by the first album, truly a delightful surprise :D
     
  • teenagelobotomy
    25 sep 10
    "consumer electronic rock" I didn't really get it :D
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    25 sep 10
    It means that they have focused more on easy tunes compared to the past, although there is still a certain complexity in some works, like The Wall for example.
     
  • zaireeka
    26 sep 10
    You've piqued my curiosity about the Focus; I might just listen to them again.
     
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    26 sep 10
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    26 sep 10
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    26 sep 10
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    26 sep 10
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    26 sep 10
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  • Felo
    10 nov 10
    In my opinion, the first two albums by the Floyd are far from Prog; they reach Symphonic Rock with Atom Heart Mother. Nice ranking, but I would include Area as well.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    10 nov 10
    I know Felo and the Area too little to express myself; I've listened too little to rank them.
     
  • Rock70
    26 nov 10
    van der graaf, jethro tull and elp too low...
     
  • fedezan76
    26 nov 10
    I read the introduction, but the same VDGG and especially Rush too low.
     
  • hjhhjij
    12 feb 11
    Nice to see Soft Machine, Camel (whom I adore) and Area so high up, too bad for the immense Van der Graaf a bit lower down, but it's a great ranking.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    12 feb 11
    Honestly, for VDGG it’s simply a matter of taste. The first albums are really great, primarily H to He and Pawn Hearts, while I don’t really like the others, apart from a bit of Godbluff. Plus, it’s a ranking that changes often; keep in mind that Area were much lower a few months ago.
     
  • hjhhjij
    13 feb 11
    Well, that's fine, I said it anyway, the ranking is beautiful.
     
  • hjhhjij
    22 mar 11
    But look how the Van der Graaf have risen! It makes me happy :)
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    22 mar 11
    I'm actually starting to listen to them more, and I liked H to He and Pawn Hearts much more than before... with the others, we're still in the same place, although Still Life and The Least We Can Do are still very beautiful. I repeat, it's a ranking that changes a lot based on my tastes. Soft Machine used to be much lower for me, and I believe that Rush will climb a little bit because I'm getting to know them better and I'm starting to like them more.
     
  • donnie darko
    22 mar 11
    for me, the Genesis come first, and Le Orme first among the Italians..........
     
  • jdv666
    22 mar 11
    Nice ranking, by the way also groups that I don't know so I think I'll take some inspiration for new listens :)
     
  • Mr. Money87
    22 jun 11
    Beautiful ranking, very rich. One question: I don't know East of Eden, Curved Air, and Eloy; what do you recommend?
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    22 jun 11
    It depends. East Of Eden are very instrumental and quite eclectic, Curved Air are definitely more melodic, while with Eloy you need to pay attention to what you're listening to, since their sound has changed a lot over the years.
     
  • Mr. Money87
    22 jun 11
    I was asking you which records you would recommend?
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    22 jun 11
    So, for East Of Eden I recommend the first two, also because it seems they made another one but I don't know it; for Curved Air I suggest the initial trilogy Airconditioning - Second Album - Phantasmagoria, although you definitely hear the best things in the first one and, to some extent, in the second. For Eloy, I recommend listening to three different albums from their phase: the first one, with a harder rock sound, Ocean, their Prog masterpiece, and Planets, a musically more mature album but perhaps less inspired, which I quite like.
     
  • Wiserson
    16 aug 11
    I recommend Arcadium and Cressida (Asylum).
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    16 aug 11
    I don't know who Arcadium are, I'm starting to listen to Cressida, but I'm not crazy about them, at least for now.
     
  • hjhhjij
    13 dec 11
    Just beautiful. I had listened to Aphrodite's Child, and especially "666," and I liked them quite a bit, but honestly, I should revisit them a little since I haven't listened to them in a long time. With this ranking, you've made me want to listen to them again.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    13 dec 11
    I've rediscovered Magma. They're a bit challenging at first, but their value is undeniable. @Wiserson, I need to listen to Arcadium and Spring now, let's see what comes out of it :D
     
  • hjhhjij
    13 dec 11
    The Magma are amazing; the first 4 albums in particular are unmissable.
     
    • ProgRock
      15 sep 12
      The first 4 are the craziest, but "Udu Wudu" is definitely not to be missed. Their more recent albums are a delight too, as well as Jannick Top's solo work.
    • hjhhjij
      15 sep 12
      "Udu Wudu" is an absolutely amazing album, in fact, but I haven't heard a bad one from Magma yet.
  • Wiserson
    13 dec 11
    Dear @Peppe Weapon, I’m sure the arcadium will find a spot in your detailed ranking.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    13 mar 12
    @Wiserson I think so, but they didn't excite me that much; I don't know where to rank them, I need to listen to them more closely.
     
  • COX
    20 mar 12
    Rankings don't make much sense, especially when they are this lengthy. If someone asked you, "Do you like Catapilla?" would you respond that they are your fifty-third favorite prog band? (Not to mention that you can't place them that low if you're putting Museo Rosenbach at twenty-fourth.)
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    20 mar 12
    You're not entirely wrong: let's say it's constantly being updated, but I don't think you need to see the exact figure of the ranking; rather, you should look at them in groups of about 10. I also don't understand what you have against the Museo Rosenbach...
     
  • COX
    20 mar 12
    I have nothing against the Museum; in fact, musically they're not bad at all, if it weren't for the singing that, in my opinion, significantly lowers the overall value of their album. Your top ten is pretty good, although if I were you, I would have included Gentle Giant, Gong, and Magma. I'm glad to see Camel in the top ten, even though perhaps the third position is a bit high (considering their latest productions).
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    20 mar 12
    Consider that Magma were much lower down, the same goes for Gentle Giant. It's a ranking that often changes; I've gotten to know many bands better over time. Honestly, I don't think the recent works of Camel are that bad, but the early albums can't be overlooked.
     
  • COX
    21 mar 12
    Sure, I go crazy for Mirage too, and The Snow Goose is incredible. Especially Nimrodel/The Procession/The White Rider, for me one of the most beautiful prog pieces ever, sweetly melodic but at times hard and rough (and vaguely King Crimson-like when it explodes). Latimer's guitar is an added value. Despite this, I think the third place is exaggerated, if only because the Canterbury scene has more original and influential works.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    21 mar 12
    The Camel were actually more foreign to that movement than Caravan, Soft Machine, Egg, and so on... I like them more for personal tastes than for influence... as for originality, I’ve always considered the Camel to have a rather unique sound in the realm of Progressive... they really had a style all their own, which then evolved over the years with one of their most underrated masterpieces: Rain Dances. And look, Soft Machine is in second place; Khan didn’t do enough—if they had released at least another 2 or 3 albums, they would have been almost in first place xD
     
  • COX
    21 mar 12
    Well, it's clear that in the end the ranking is yours and it's based on your personal tastes. To be honest, I’ve never listened to Khan, but I read that they made only one album, so I'll get it right away.
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    21 mar 12
    Yes, definitely get it, it’s a fucking masterpiece! It’s got almost the best of Canterbury in there :)
     
  • Peppe Weapon
    16 jun 12
    I’ve changed the rankings a bit, since I’ve recently educated myself about certain bands. The biggest leap was made by Magma, whom I’m finally starting to appreciate (they're tough at first, but once you get into them, they’re exceptional), along with Comus, who I indeed had placed too low.
     
  • ProgRock
    15 sep 12
    Masterpiece of the Ranking!
     
  • hackerhacked
    23 sep 12
    the national health?
     
    • Peppe Weapon
      23 sep 12
      An unforgivable shortcoming of mine, yet I listen to them as well... thanks for the heads up ;)
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