nickfarrjones

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  • TheJargonKing
    TheJargonKing
    19 jun 10
    Noto Lake in many rankings. Well done.
     
  • nickfarrjones
    nickfarrjones
    19 jun 10
    For me, Lake is a multifaceted, well-rounded artist (especially now, considering his poor physical condition!). And then he probably brings together fans of King Crimson, ELP, Asia, etc. Among the worst, I'll take Venditti (I had forgotten about him!) and I’ll raise him directly to the top spot.
     
  • j&r
    j&r
    19 jun 10
    ..santana is shit!!
     
    • giuss
      2 jan 14
      huey Ludwig! Where have you been?????
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    19 jun 10
    Yes, it has been a bit recycled to make cash, but technically it stays a thousand levels above your slob Dylan.
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    19 jun 10
    Congratulations to Nick, he varies a bit between genres but they are all excellent artists!
     
  • nickfarrjones
    nickfarrjones
    20 jun 10
    I vary between genres because it’s a "generic" ranking, but thank you anyway :)
     
  • dirtyoldlady
    dirtyoldlady
    2 aug 10
    great ranking
     
  • March Horses
    March Horses
    28 jan 12
    Very cultured
     
  • algol
    algol
    19 dec 13
    Very old
     
  • algol
    algol
    19 dec 13
    Reading this ranking, it seems that music has come to a standstill in the 70s. All very respectable, but perhaps it shouldn't be titled "greatest artist of all time."
     
  • nickfarrjones
    nickfarrjones
    19 dec 13
    If there were artists better than these, I could accept similar comments, but not like this. Old music? Classy music never gets old; you’re really rambling.
     
    • nickfarrjones
      19 dec 13
      Of course, there are artists better than these today. It’s clear that there will be many more skilled ones, but they always belong to the past.
    • ZannaB
      20 dec 13
      Well, you see, just when you think you've read all the possible bullshit, someone comes along with the mother of all bullshit.
    • nickfarrjones
      4 jan 14
      the mother of all bullshit will be the one who brought you into this world (it's a reply, I'm not acting like I know everything)
  • algol
    algol
    20 dec 13
    Well... in my opinion, it's you who hasn't listened to a damn thing anymore. Then excellent choices, of course, I wouldn't dream of judging others' tastes even if they are the exact opposite of mine. It's impossible not to notice your stagnation or, at best, a marked tendency towards what is, musically speaking, Paleolithic.
     
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      You are musically ignorant, a lot. So I offer you a piece of advice. At least read the discography post-1980 of those artists in this ranking who are not dead. Come on!
  • ZannaB
    ZannaB
    20 dec 13
    I agree with Algol. As much as I love Tull, Cream, and Hendrix, and despite the fact that the listed names are absolutely untouchable, the ranking is definitely oriented towards the past. There are deserving artists of the title "best" even from the 80s, 90s, and even the new millennium, just like these!
     
  • GIANLUIGI67
    GIANLUIGI67
    20 dec 13
    Perhaps 2 names you mentioned can be among the best artists of all time........ Eric Clapton, Santana, Pat Metheny, the best artists of all time ????? the Supertramp ?????
     
    • Matthau
      31 dec 13
      According to many experts, they are among the best ever, and I agree with Nick as well... I don't understand your confidence in having an opposing opinion.
    • GIANLUIGI67
      31 dec 13
      It's an opinion, there's not much to understand. He has different ideas from mine. My list would be different, not better, just different and equally subject to criticism.
  • hjhhjij
    hjhhjij
    20 dec 13
    The problem isn't that he considers these the best of all time; that's his taste, and that's fine, Metheny, Clapton, whatever you like, the ranking is his. The problem is that he is utterly convinced that after the '70s, there haven't been any artists of the same caliber and quality as those on his list. He's convinced...
     
    • ZannaB
      20 dec 13
      In fact, I don't understand why they continued to produce music after the '70s, since the best has already been written...
    • algol
      20 dec 13
      probably the charming de-user nickfarrjones's ears perked up at the stroke of January 1, 1980
    • ZannaB
      20 dec 13
      Didn't you even hear the firecrackers on New Year's Eve? What a shame...
    • nickfarrjones
      30 dec 13
      I have a 7-year-old nephew who only plays this kind of music; it’s clear that that crap you listen to hasn't made an impression.
    • Matthau
      31 dec 13
      Who are these 90s artists like Clapton and Santana?
    • Mr. Money87
      31 dec 13
      Of the caliber of Clapton and Santana? Seriously?
    • hjhhjij
      31 dec 13
      No, not seriously. These are really not to be taken seriously :)
    • Mr. Money87
      31 dec 13
      I can imagine, but we pretend to take them seriously otherwise what's the fun in that!
    • nickfarrjones
      1 jan 14
      So take your friend Algol seriously, who from his lofty superiority tells me Eminem!!!!!!!!
    • nickfarrjones
      1 jan 14
      So take your friend Algol seriously, who from his lofty superiority tells me Eminem!!!!!!!!
    • nickfarrjones
      1 jan 14
      So take your friend Algol seriously, who from his lofty superiority tells me Eminem!!!!!!!!
    • nickfarrjones
      1 jan 14
      So take your friend Algol seriously, who from his lofty superiority tells me Eminem!!!!!!!!
    • algol
      1 jan 14
      I wanted to see if you knew him. Idiot!
    • nickfarrjones
      1 jan 14
      No, look. Never heard of it. For years you think you know, but you don’t know a damn thing.
    • nickfarrjones
      1 jan 14
      No, look. Never heard of it. For years you think you know, but you don’t know a damn thing.
    • nickfarrjones
      1 jan 14
      Mediocre piece of trash, you should tell that to your father, who raised you poorly in terms of civic sense. I don’t even want to discuss music with incompetents like you anymore.
    • ZannaB
      4 jan 14
      But you’re a real character, Nick! You’re the typical person who thinks, "I am who I am and you don’t count for shit." I swear, apart from the music, you’re really entertaining, almost like Gino. Almost, though, don’t get a big head, alright...
    • ZannaB
      4 jan 14
      And sorry, if her nephew only plays this music it seems obvious that there is nothing better in the world! Oh, and I almost forgot: happy 1971 to everyone!
    • nickfarrjones
      4 jan 14
      No Zanna B, look closely at how the discussion has unfolded and reconsider. The ones coming to pass judgment here are you; I don’t go on other people's rankings to write that you’re old, that you stopped in 1970, etc. (which, by the way, are huge bullshit and I’ve explained that too). I was provoked and I reacted. Only that if someone replies in kind, you act offended and like hysterical queens. That’s all. It’s evident, don’t twist the narrative. You’re intellectually dishonest.
    • ZannaB
      5 jan 14
      Fuck, hysterical honest queen! People who don’t consider 70s music the best must be really horrible people! Look, Nick, I have a valid argument to support my theory and I could even put it across without insults, unlike you, but I’ve realized that you are absolutely not the open-minded person who can consider an opinion different from yours. I’m not saying you have to agree with me, I don’t want that, but you’re just not open to communication. So keep your professor certainties, I have no intention of continuing a discussion that smells musty just to receive more insults; it’s not even fun anymore...
    • nickfarrjones
      8 jan 14
      Mine is just a reaction to those who act smug, coming here to say that this is an outdated ranking. I can't stand know-it-alls, and I enjoy bringing them back down to earth. It seems obvious to me, just look at how the discussion developed (unless you're completely clueless). Some are old at just 20, just listen to that absolute bore of the Radiohead...
    • ZannaB
      9 jan 14
      If you think you made me look like a know-it-all, brought me back down to earth, and concluded that I am old at 20 years old (who said I'm 20 anyway?), well... I'm happy for your ego, which can now inflate more than it did before.
    • algol
      9 jan 14
      Alright... I feel completely diminished. Idiot whose arguments remain totally unexpressed, because there aren't any. This ranking is old, and there’s no argument that can refute that. And you are a know-it-all fossil.
    • Renagade
      9 jan 14
      What a drag, Radiohead. To be honest, Clapton bores me a bit, but compared to Radiohead, Eric is pure fun.
    • ZannaB
      9 jan 14
      Renegade, you haven't understood a damn thing about what has been written, have you?
    • Renagade
      9 jan 14
      zanbab, maybe you miss the point that I have no intention of understanding the bullshit you write. I saw Radiohead written and I shared my opinion. The rest is just your usual teenage wankery, I'm not interested. Aloha
    • ZannaB
      9 jan 14
      Damn, I've gone from being 20 to 15! Anyway, it's nice that you don't read anything I write and still come to the conclusion that it's all nonsense. You must have some supernatural power...
    • nickfarrjones
      9 jan 14
      algol, how much did you have in your little thoughts in elementary school (because to go beyond, you must have definitely cheated)? Your comments really don't mean anything. Maybe you should understand something before writing bullshit. This is my ranking that I don’t have to explain to anyone. Those who contest it should explain why they do so. But they should do it well. Don't write that they like Neil Young (old on the outside, like those I pointed out) and Radiohead (old and gloomy on the inside, like those who listen to them). This is just one example of the bullshit you've written. Do you understand now?
    • ZannaB
      10 jan 14
      "old and grim inside, like those who listen to them" How do you know? Have you met them one by one?
    • algol
      10 jan 14
      But then you really don't understand a damn thing, nfj. No one is here to criticize your very personal taste (look, I think you have good taste even if it's different from mine), but the assumption that nothing truly valuable has been produced since 1980. Can you understand that this is a colossal bullshit justifiable only by the fact that a) you haven't listened to anything new or b) you have excellent taste but we're talking about monothematic archaeology in the first place. You made the ranking, and what comes from it is undeniable. At least admit that your tastes are a bit retro; there would be nothing wrong with that, for goodness' sake!
    • ZannaB
      10 jan 14
      Admit? What the hell are you talking about, Algol? He’s a professor, a guitarist, an excellent connoisseur of music and has attended 7 Clapton concerts; he has nothing to admit, he has the truth in his pocket! In fact, He, with a capital H, excuse me Nick...
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      uffffff, for example, Pat Metheny after 1980 has produced about 1.5 million billion records on his own or in collaboration with others. Peter Hammill similarly. Why are you so stubbornly fixated on dates?????? There’s no worse deaf person than one who doesn’t want to hear. And I’m talking about you, broken record.
  • hjhhjij
    hjhhjij
    20 dec 13
    I actually really like all these people, even a lot. Some of them are among my favorites. There's Hammill, damn it.
     
  • GIANLUIGI67
    GIANLUIGI67
    20 dec 13
    it's not a criticism, clearly the ranking is theirs, my comment was dictated by my tastes...
     
    • GIANLUIGI67
      20 dec 13
      and from an objective judgment. Regardless of tastes, Clapton is not the best artist of all time, nor is he among the best.
    • ZannaB
      20 dec 13
      Sacrosanct! Said by someone who adores Cream and a good part of their solo production.
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      Gianluigi, objectively, is among the best guitarists of all time according to various experts. Even if some (not as many as some would like to make believe here) argue otherwise. I know the debate very well; I've seen Clapton live 9 times and I play the guitar well. Perhaps I know the subject.
    • ZannaB
      20 dec 13
      Teach us to play the guitar like Clapton then!
    • rolando303
      3 jan 14
      Big tusk, and for me the bass like Canzian :-DDD
  • Lao Tze
    Lao Tze
    20 dec 13
    it's got nothing to do with the discussion - Supertramp can be the best, or among the best of all time, respecting everyone's subjectivity. They made the perfect album. Not every artist has made the perfect album. Clapton? No. Derek & The Dominos, if anything. Which is another story.
     
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      It's true, Lao. But if someone makes a great record with Cream, with Derek, with Blind Faith and is highly regarded by Hendrix, by various blues legends, by Duane Allman and so on, doesn’t he have some merit? Perhaps his solo career (which has had a few good moments as well) leaves something to be desired. But the same can be said for Greg Lake, who was nonetheless great in bands.
  • Lao Tze
    Lao Tze
    20 dec 13
    Blue Oyster Cult until '77... after - alas, because I love them - among the WORST of all time ;-)
     
  • nickfarrjones
    nickfarrjones
    20 dec 13
    of course I’m convinced, if someone talks to me about tastes that’s just fine. Regarding the technical quality of past artists (I repeat, there are many better than those I’ve mentioned). If you come to talk to me about Melvins, Tool, Soundgarden, Nirvana, I’m gonna throw up. It’s not me who’s stuck, it’s you who understand very little. Technically. ZannaB, you’re the one spouting nonsense, and huge nonsense at that, I feel sorry for you. Rude youngist.
     
    • ZannaB
      4 jan 14
      You're amazing! Teach me how to play the guitar, come on, enlighten me!
  • hjhhjij
    hjhhjij
    20 dec 13
    Ah-ah, yes.
     
  • nickfarrjones
    nickfarrjones
    20 dec 13
    Anyway, would Pat Metheny be from the 70s? Maybe he started in the 70s, but so much nonsense has already been said, one more or less.
     
    • ZannaB
      20 dec 13
      It’s true, a lot has been said. I would emphasize this: "It is clear that there will be many more talented individuals, but they always belong to the past."
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      Can you name some sacred monsters of the present then? You know, I've been frozen for a long time.
    • ZannaB
      20 dec 13
      Ahah! Do you also need the names? You make me think you've really been frozen! Just like that, I suddenly think of Radiohead. R.E.M. just broke up, can you pass me those? Then let's not even get into the tidal wave of epic stuff from the '90s, which you apparently snubbed. Has it been pointed out to you that your ranking is only focused on the past? Instead of justifying with a relatable "I like older music more," you’ve claimed that there are no better artists today. Which, by the way, implies that you know all the current music—something I doubt given your tastes. But it’s fine, Nick, I’ll leave you your past; I prefer the future...
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      I know both of them, I don't like them at all, and it's also old stuff that began in the '80s when there was a lot better. Anything else?
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      among other things, REM rather supinely draw on the melodic jingle-jangle pop of the sixties
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me, I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to. Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me, In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      do you understand the similarity?????
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      alternate it 2 or 3 times with This one goes out to the one I love This one goes out to the one I've left behind Another prop has occupied my time This one goes out to the one I love
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      let me know if it's more or less the same lament... I meant musical figure
    • nickfarrjones
      20 dec 13
      oh, even Bob Dylan makes me loose, just to be clear
    • algol
      20 dec 13
      Led Zeppelin Swans Pink Floyd Bob Dylan Doors Velvet Underground Beatles Radiohead Neil Young
    • algol
      20 dec 13
      Rolling Stones Kyuss Elvis Ray Charles Marvin Gaye Ramones Clash Beach Boys James Brown Bob Marley David Bowie
    • algol
      20 dec 13
      Who Police U2 Metallica Eagles Costello Black Sabbath Eminem Yardbirds Nine Inch Nails Joy Division
    • algol
      20 dec 13
      just to name a few. Including even artists I don't particularly like but who have a place in the history of music. Of course, beyond the 70s, that is. But screw you, come on.
    • algol
      20 dec 13
      And add the Melvins and Tool to a hypothetical list of people who contributed to musical evolution. Donkey.
    • ZannaB
      23 dec 13
      You're wonderful! First you justify Clapton among the greats by citing the opinions of great critics (but who exactly?) and then you dismiss Radiohead just because you don't like them or because someone, in your view (just an opinion, I emphasize), did it better in the '80s. As if no one played the blues better than Clapton before him. Look, I'll leave you to your fantastic beliefs and your music that smells of mildew, and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Yes, a good 1970. I'll be waiting for you in 2014; when you arrive, give me a shout, and I'll get you a drink!
    • nickfarrjones
      23 dec 13
      ALGOL, apart from those you mentioned who are contemporaries of Clapton whom I respect but don’t like in the same way (I've already said that), I don't see a great one. The U2? Eminem??? Are you crazy?????
    • nickfarrjones
      23 dec 13
      Clash and Ramones???? Guys, they can't really play, and I'm telling you this as someone who almost has their complete discography.
    • nickfarrjones
      23 dec 13
      In my opinion, Zannab, you should go to some Clapton concerts; at least you’ll get to see some chicks.
    • nickfarrjones
      23 dec 13
      In my opinion, Zannab, you should go to some Clapton concerts; at least you’ll get to see some chicks.
    • nickfarrjones
      23 dec 13
      In my opinion, Zannab, you should go to some Clapton concerts; at least you’ll get to see some chicks.
    • hjhhjij
      23 dec 13
      Dude, you're awesome.
    • ZannaB
      24 dec 13
      "In my opinion, Zannab, you should go to some Clapton concerts; at least you'll see some hot chicks." I see you're starting to pull out your best arguments to support your opinions. And what if I were gay?
    • nickfarrjones
      30 dec 13
      Indeed, you have the typical behavior of a hysterical queen and you like that sad and mushy sound of bands that were born old. That trashy stuff for fags, in short. Trying something rougher, no?
    • ZannaB
      9 jan 14
      Ahah! I missed this comment! Someone who listens to Radiohead is a "frocione"!!! Fantastic, you're also homophobic!
    • nickfarrjones
      9 jan 14
      Why does calling someone a faggot mean being homophobic to you? But calling someone old is fine? If I were to think like you do, I would have to assume you're one of those who walks around hitting elderly people. What a brutal effect it has to listen to these Radiohead.
    • ZannaB
      10 jan 14
      No, thinking that those who listen to Radiohead are homosexual is a bad impression. But I'm sure it's not Clapton's fault...
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      bruto, I wrote bruto intentionally. It's not a mistake. The mistake is that you don't even understand the jokes.
  • nickfarrjones
    nickfarrjones
    20 dec 13
    Gianluigi, if you don't like refined and absolutely classy artists like Santana, Clapton, and Metheny, that's fine. There have been better ones, I know very well, and I don't argue about that. But being astonished as you are, as if it were heresy, is truly out of place.
     
    • GIANLUIGI67
      21 dec 13
      I'm not surprised as if it were heresy; after all, we're talking about music. With your comment, you've said it all; you know very well there are better ones out there. Yours is a ranking of all-time artists that "you prefer," and on that, I won't comment. It's not my intention to judge your tastes, but objectively, many of the names you mentioned are not among the best artists. That's all.
    • nickfarrjones
      23 dec 13
      But you say that they are not considered among the best artists! Where would you have read this objective ranking??
  • grancistone
    grancistone
    30 dec 13
    I really don't understand certain comments. Music has no chronological age; there are so-called artists who can't survive themselves, while others remain immortal. The ranking is hers, and I find it very beautiful, as others have already mentioned. I believe there’s a clique of know-it-alls in here that has really gotten on everyone's nerves and driven away even the best reviewers with these truly pathetic and pedantic judgments.
     
    • hjhhjij
      1 jan 14
      The problem is not his ranking per se but the bullshit he said afterwards, him and the idiot below. Besides that, I have already expressed my opinion on the ranking itself.
    • nickfarrjones
      2 jan 14
      think about the nonsense you say, two-bit idiot. You don’t know how to argue and just insult. That’s all you’re good at, so I’ll respond in kind. Oh, by the way… You don’t understand a damn thing about music, nor about cinema. You want minimal slogans? Here you go.
    • hjhhjij
      3 jan 14
      But are you lost or don't you read the messages? I have never insulted you and have never said anything bad about your ranking; on the contrary. You’re the one who started saying nonsense and getting into fights with others. If it weren't for some of your outbursts, I wouldn't even have paid attention to you; I would have just said what I initially said, and I won't repeat it about the people on this ranking. And the only one insulting seems to be you. The only one, it seems; the most I've said is that you made a nice nonsense statement, which is not an insult but a fact, so deal with it. The idiot remark wasn't directed at you, so what insults are you talking about? Not to mention the ending of your message that sounded like "I have the ball and I'm not giving it to you, gnè gnè"... Oh my goodness... Wake up, the only one who doesn't provide arguments and insults is you.
    • nickfarrjones
      3 jan 14
      No, I’m not talking nonsense; the nonsense was your father’s for bringing you into the world. Fact of the matter???? Where has it been proven, you brainless idiot???? Where????????? The nonsense is what you and your friends write, suggesting I listen to crap like Eminem, U2, Melvins, REM (hahahahahahaa! But those guys just make pop copied from the sixties, you moron!) and whatever else instead of Metheny, Clapton, and Santana. I’m still waiting for the list of those truly better than these three. “Wake up” and “stay there” are things you tell your boyfriend. Incompetent idiot.
  • mal
    mal
    1 jan 14
    Nfj but haven’t you realized that if you don’t review Foxtrot at least once, if you don’t masturbate in front of at least one among Topo Dylan, Robert Wyatt and Tom Waits, and some grunge band or loser indie group, if you don’t say at least 3 times that Clapton solo is a loser and Santana is a clown because after all Wonderful Tonight and Samba Pa Ti were scored by Memo Remigi, you’re no one’s cup of tea?
     
  • mal
    mal
    1 jan 14
    Nfj but haven’t you realized that if you don’t review Foxtrot at least once, if you don’t masturbate in front of at least one among Topo Dylan, Robert Wyatt and Tom Waits, and some grunge band or loser indie group, if you don’t say at least 3 times that Clapton solo is a loser and Santana is a clown because after all Wonderful Tonight and Samba Pa Ti were scored by Memo Remigi, you’re no one’s cup of tea?
     
    • nickfarrjones
      2 jan 14
      Exactly! What irritates me the most is this fucking paternalism they have. They like their stuff (often it’s crap, but a user won’t tell them that out of pity) and if you don't think like them, they insist on treating you with superiority. But superiority in what???? And compared to who?? Thank goodness I have a fulfilling job and don’t have time to waste teaching music education to these little pimply ones....
    • nickfarrjones
      2 jan 14
      They throw accusations around without knowing who they're dealing with. Then they act all offended when someone gives it back to them. And they think the arrogant one is someone else, not them, who started off all fired up. Then there's zero spirit, I mean zero. And they even think they're charming, but they're just a bunch of pathetic losers.
    • algol
      2 jan 14
      So, here no one gets offended nor believes they are superior. If anything, it is you who cannot accept even the slightest criticism, especially when you include not only elements confined to the 70s but also limited to a single musical genre in your very personal (and I won't argue about taste) ranking titled "best artist of all time," while making me suspect your highly debatable (this one) tendency to consider guitar technique as the utmost value to take into account.
    • algol
      2 jan 14
      All of this represents a rather narrow, limited, partial view and is even fossilized and exacerbated by your statements that support the thesis that nothing as good (or better) has been produced since the 70s. And, tastes aside, it seems to me such a colossal absurdity that the collective mockery has turned against you and your geriatric fixations.
    • giuss
      2 jan 14
      But didn't Chet Baker play the trumpet? Alright, alright... I won't interfere.
    • algol
      2 jan 14
      Here’s why, among the countless post-70 artists I’ve mentioned as worthy of attention, there are many who do not meet my taste but have nevertheless managed to be interpreters of their time, bringing elements of innovation. Including Eminem himself; I don’t like Rap either, but it’s shortsighted not to appreciate the skill he has shown in using lyrics and his specific weight in the musical landscape. There isn’t just technique; that’s only one aspect. In a broad and articulated view over time and across genres, of course, a dimension that is completely absent when reading your monotonous rankings and your delirious statements. Never again, you could be more foolish.
    • graz88
      2 jan 14
      I was just reading everything for a moment, and I hope I haven't missed anything fundamental regarding my brief intervention. I like blues music, and perhaps I'm influenced by this when I say that Clapton is infinitely greater overall, considering everything he has done in his career, both with groups and as a solo artist (you know what I mean?), compared to all those mentioned in Nickfarrjones' contestation. Honestly, Eminem, when compared to Clapton, is worth not even a millionth, and anyone who isn't biased and has a minimum of logic can attest to that. Then there's the example of U2, who started playing before Pat Metheny. He also began in the mid-'70s, but he's anything but an artist you could define as ‘70s. I personally don’t even like him much outside of the technical aspect, but I know him well enough.
    • graz88
      2 jan 14
      by the way, the best of Clapton is all blues-rock, certainly not pure blues.
    • ce84
      2 jan 14
      The guitar technique of Joe Cocker and Nina Simone is fantastic.
    • graz88
      2 jan 14
      Since some people are quick to jump on the Clapton-blues bandwagon. For years, he's strutted around and collected money, but "Clapton is God" wasn’t just scrawled on the wall by nickfarrjones.
    • algol
      2 jan 14
      graz, my quote about Eminem was meant to refer back to yet another genre completely overlooked by the author of this ranking, which, I repeat, is titled "best artist of ALL TIME." As far as I'm concerned, U2 and Eminem may not be considered giants, and that's fine. There remain a host of much greater artists, also not listed by me haphazardly, who have been ignored. Completely ignored, because we're talking about ignorance. When one stops, they then ignore what comes after, a blatant, gross, and self-satisfied ignorance that evokes a mix of sadness and hilarity.
    • algol
      2 jan 14
      ce84. Let's not make it easy to joke, how many guitar virtuosos do you see in this damn "greatest artist of ALL TIME" chart? Tell me, come on?
    • graz88
      2 jan 14
      Well, I ignored Pink Floyd in my list, but I have their complete discography. I would have included them 5-6 years ago. Now they’ve annoyed me a bit, and I ranked what I’m listening to right now, just for fun. Maybe I’ll find someone who listens to similar stuff and learn something too. It seems to me that nickfarrjones knows a lot, but he’s a bit of a provocateur. Or maybe he truly believes in his choices. It’s rare for someone who listens to good music to completely unplug. At least, I don’t know anyone like that.
    • giuss
      2 jan 14
      No way that Nick plays the guitar like he says, for me, I play the oboe and the harpsichord. What an old bullshitter. Just kidding, Nick, then you put on the B.o.c., I love you so much.
    • algol
      2 jan 14
      Sure, the point is that it was enough to admit to having outdated tastes, rather than arguing that nothing good has been produced since the 70s. I appreciate in such a reckless statement at least a certain unhealthy consistency regarding the ranking.
    • giuss
      2 jan 14
      But Chuck Berry is still alive and still does the duck walk like a pro; maybe that's why the slowpoke Nick put him last.
    • nickfarrjones
      3 jan 14
      but what easy irony, this is good old sarcasm and you deserve every bit of it, algol
    • nickfarrjones
      3 jan 14
      thanks also to graz88 who captured the situation perfectly
    • mal
      16 jan 14
      but what the fuck does outdated tastes mean then...... really this algol is a slave to the calendar, but does he really understand very little. Comments from a little kindergarten kid.....
  • ce84
    ce84
    2 jan 14
    The fact that he is the "greatest artist of all time" does not necessarily mean that one must include people from all eras and all musical genres. For Nick, those are the best artists, so that is the best music of all time; I don't see what the problem is.
     
    • nickfarrjones
      3 jan 14
      100% agree, have a nice day ce84!
    • mal
      18 jan 14
      it's the same thought I have ce84
  • ce84
    ce84
    2 jan 14
    Charts are often criticized for being subjective, but this is absolutely wrong, as they are nothing more than showcases through which one declares their musical preferences. They help to understand what kind of listener you are dealing with. As such, the more personal they are, the better. Absolutely useless, on the other hand, are those pretentious, all-encompassing lists, where there's everything and the opposite of everything. Those who say "I listen to a bit of everything, I appreciate all genres" have never convinced me; in 90% of cases, they are charlatans, and in the remaining 10%, confused people in search of their own identity. I definitely prefer a very personal but sincere chart. I might not share it, but at least I know who I’m dealing with and what they like.
     
    • GIANLUIGI67
      3 jan 14
      If you publish a ranking of your preferences, you need to be able to accept criticism; it's not a personal matter. As far as I'm concerned, their favorite artist can be Mal, but you shouldn't take it the wrong way if someone tells you that you have a too personal view of music.
    • nickfarrjones
      3 jan 14
      Gianluigi, criticism is perfectly fine, but presumption is not. And there are quite a few presumptuous people here. They have a terrible tone, think they know much more than you (and that’s not true at all; by the way, I’ve even taught music), and they need to be put in their place. I don't show up mocking and insulting others' rankings.
    • algol
      3 jan 14
      Very well done. Keep teaching.
    • GIANLUIGI67
      3 jan 14
      I don’t think I insulted you. If you think Clapton and Santana are the best artists of all time, I criticize your choice. I don’t see it as an insult to you as a person, but rather a criticism of your tastes, which is something very different. And by the way, I don’t have the presumption that my words are gospel; it’s just a simple criticism.
    • nickfarrjones
      3 jan 14
      Gianluigi, I’m not upset with you. In fact, I wrote "they have a shitty tone" not "you have a shitty tone" :)
    • ZannaB
      4 jan 14
      Do you also teach music? Poor students...
    • nickfarrjones
      4 jan 14
      Read (and understand) what ce84 wrote, right? Do you have slices of culatello on your eyes?
    • ZannaB
      5 jan 14
      You think that I am completely against classifying music and musicians; charts are for athletes, not for artists. But this doesn’t change the fact that after Clapton there was absolute musical nothingness.
    • nickfarrjones
      8 jan 14
      Who said there's an absolute void? There's something less relevant to me. For sure, I'm not going to let someone who listens to Radiohead call me old. You can be old on the inside at just 20 years old. Chronological age is different from biological age.
    • ZannaB
      9 jan 14
      But you see, no one called you old. However, if someone tells you that your ranking, which is perfectly fine on a personal level, is focused on old music, you could simply accept it. I certainly didn’t imply that you only listen to that! What I said was an observation, it’s evident, and you’re trying to deny it by judging me just because I mentioned Radiohead and without knowing anything about me, considering I don’t go online bragging about my profession, how many concerts I’ve seen, and how I play the guitar.
    • nickfarrjones
      9 jan 14
      ZannaB, you are a slave to your stereotype, which I do not accept at all. Old music? Do you understand or not that The Who will still kick the ass of Radiohead even in 450 years????? (I’m repeating a concept that you clearly don’t understand at all). You don’t brag? You do worse. You wrote to me that my tastes smell like mold. I didn’t even know you. It must be your tastes that have smelled like mold from the start. I don’t accept lessons from anyone, let alone from people like you.
    • ZannaB
      10 jan 14
      "those like you" Keep judging me. See the difference? I debate your ranking, you debate my person. If that makes you feel like a better person than me, well, good for you! Will the Who be kicking the ass of Radiohead even 450 years from now? Who decided that? Oh, I forgot, you decided. But who are you to have more truthful and authoritative musical opinions than mine? Oh, I forgot again: you are you and I don’t matter at all, right? You're quite charming, you know, Nick. Come visit me at home and I'll offer you a beer!
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      Well of course, someone who babbles about old or new music simply by reading the release date of a work, what do we call that? A phenomenon? Please re-read who judged someone else first.
  • algol
    algol
    10 jan 14
    Anyway, it’s a fact that for you all the production after the 70s is less relevant than what was done in that decade. An assumption that exposes you to valid criticisms and doubts. Regardless of personal tastes, no one is saying that there necessarily has to be who, radiohead, pink floyd, king crimson, or zeppelin... Anyone who loves music can assert that there has been a significant evolution that you obviously ignore.
     
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      Ah, broken record, but how should I explain to you that many of the artists in this ranking since 1980 have produced a sea of works? Even Chet Baker... But please inform yourself before writing such nonsense.
    • algol
      12 jan 14
      The best came in the 70s... anyway, 70 or 80 doesn’t mean shit. We're in 2014 and your ranking feels outdated, there’s no point in nitpicking over a handful of years. Old old old old old old and then even older. Got it, asshole?
    • nickfarrjones
      14 jan 14
      Prick? Don’t talk about things you don’t have and that you just suck at. Say hi to that faggot of your father who brought into the world a bratty, rude, and full of shit idiot like you. Ah. You know nothing about music, that’s clear. It’s an objective fact.
    • algol
      15 jan 14
      Alright, you idiot. You tell that whore of your mother to fix her ears that she hid somewhere back in 1980. Idiot and old pompous son of a bitch.
    • nickfarrjones
      15 jan 14
      You're mixed up with your brainless self, you have some serious problems. Get some treatment, it's for the best; I've never seen a crazy idiot, a loser who can't do better than bothering others like this. But who has ever noticed you? But who wants you? Talk to those of your own kind, human scum.
    • algol
      15 jan 14
      Ahahah ... alright you idiot son of a bitch trilobite.
    • nickfarrjones
      16 jan 14
      First, you should realize that the bisexuals who unclog your father's ass, without rinsing, then immediately shove it down your mother's throat up to her gag reflex. Only after that should you gradually approach the world of music, still unknown to you. Now go squeeze your pimples in the mirror and prematurely ejaculate in the bidet.
    • algol
      17 jan 14
      And you go back to getting fucked by your students. Loser, old and a really big asshole.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Still here, are you? Just know that I'm not the old man you wear out every morning, okay? Would I be the unlucky one? If you saw even a penny of the potato that I've seen, you'd already be a lucky person.
    • algol
      17 jan 14
      Alright, you totally won, super cool young at heart with cutting-edge musical tastes and the greatest expert in live music. Pathetic old loser.
  • algol
    algol
    10 jan 14
    In the end, nfj was just told that the ranking is outdated. I don't think such a statement can be disputed, yet I told you that your opinions are highly respectable but you are stuck. Period.
     
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      I simply replied to you that you don't know the artists in question. What do you know about Pat Metheny, for example??????? That post-1980 stuff, since all you can talk about are dates. Nothing at all, otherwise you would realize the immeasurable nonsense you're spouting.
    • algol
      12 jan 14
      I know them, and I don’t like them at all, but these are subjective personal tastes. What’s not up for debate is that, despite Metheny (a virtuoso but really two fusion idiots, huh...) he even goes back to the 80s. The only one in your very old ranking. So what the hell are you talking about?
    • nickfarrjones
      14 jan 14
      Do you see that you don't know a damn thing? Why am I even talking to ignorant people like you?????
    • algol
      15 jan 14
      Ahahah ... idiot. Actually ... master idiot!
    • nickfarrjones
      15 jan 14
      That gigantic cow of a mother of yours must have conceived you with Saddam Hussein, there's no other explanation.
  • GIANLUIGI67
    GIANLUIGI67
    10 jan 14
    His opinions are not exactly respectable. Clapton, Santana, Pat Metheny, are not the best artists of all time. The best music wasn't only produced in the '70s. And there’s no dispute about that. Everyone is free to think as they wish; they can teach, play wonderfully, have seen 1000 concerts, but they're saying nonsense. But then how can you create a ranking? How can you compare Clapton to Nina Simone? This is something the music teacher needs to explain...
     
    • ZannaB
      10 jan 14
      I believe that the greats of the past have been deemed such by time. Time determines whether an artist has been monumental or not. Now, in 30 years, many artists of today will likely be hailed as "greats of the past," just as we do today with Clapton et simila. I don’t want to come here and say who will be remembered in 30 years; with a bit of luck, I won’t even be around. But to claim that only Clapton, Who, and Santana will be remembered then shows a remarkable narrow-mindedness!
    • ZannaB
      10 jan 14
      That said, if someone in 30 years still prefers to listen to Clapton, they are absolutely free to do so; in fact, I sincerely wish them well. To Clapton, of course, not to the listener.
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      Ah good, there he is, the know-it-all who doesn't even realize he is one. What do you know about the listener's tastes?????? Who are you to wish for them not to listen to Clapton? Who says it's not you who is in the wrong???? But come down from your pedestal, at least once in a while, instead of inviting others to do so. Some of those who appeal to the youth-wannabes who think they're young just because they read the album's release date are already miserably out of style.
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      I’ll repeat something to you, Gianluigi. There are thousands of music experts who literally look down on you who don’t agree with you. And they do with me. And you’re a total nobody to claim that my tastes aren’t perfectly respectable (which is already a silly statement, speaking more generally).
    • nickfarrjones
      10 jan 14
      Rankings are games; they express something personal. It’s not an encyclopedia. But if someone tramples on my personal tastes with a certain tone, I’ll give them a big kick in the ass. My tastes aren’t exactly respectable, and should I explain something to you? And why? It’s pointless to keep up this fake objectivity Gianluigi. "Clapton, Santana, Pat Metheny, were not the greatest artists of all time." You say that, it’s not an objective fact. It’s a debatable opinion just like mine. You believe your tastes are more respectable than mine; that’s where your great arrogance lies.
    • GIANLUIGI67
      10 jan 14
      I don't think I have better taste than yours.. I'm simply stating that Clapton is definitely not the greatest artist of all time, I'm telling you that your musical ideas are very limited. Trust me, it's true, it's coming from a damn nobody, not thousands of experts. Then think what you want, we’re talking about music... my opinion is worth as much as yours.
    • Zeb
      10 jan 14
      read the beginning of the incredibly unreliable wikipedia like I did, where I understand nothing; nickfarrjones might be right! Anyway, I’m biased, I love Clapton and I’m not a fair judge. So I abhor those who speak ill of Slowhand, damn it!
    • ZannaB
      13 jan 14
      Look, if you wanted dozens of approvals to stroke your ego, you could have gone on the Ondarock forum to write "Clapton is the best artist in history," and everyone would have agreed with you. You would have been happy and wouldn't have thrown a fit like a hysterical girl in the midst of a hormonal storm. Instead, here on Debasio, a well-known site full of nitpickers like me, Al, and Gian, you're proudly displaying your ranking and exposing it to all kinds of comments. So all this epic drama we're having, you could have expected it or even sought it out yourself!
    • ZannaB
      13 jan 14
      Furthermore, many have responded to you with sarcastic, provocative, or joking tones; the only one who responded with offensive tones was you! But I care little to nothing about that; on Debasio, these are everyday matters, much like discussing with characters like you who think they are superior to anyone and don't even consider the possibility of being wrong. On the other hand, you agree with "thousands of music experts," impressive!
    • ZannaB
      13 jan 14
      I repeat, you are no longer entertaining, you are just a dull, inflated balloon that thinks it's better than everyone else. That person was right who told me "don’t argue with fools: they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!" So goodbye Nick, I'll leave you the last word that you seem to enjoy so much, and I hope not to cross paths with you again on these pages!
    • nickfarrjones
      14 jan 14
      count Zannab and you will see that you belong to a small minority. I have made a ranking of my personal tastes.
    • nickfarrjones
      14 jan 14
      Count yourself, Zannab, and you'll see that you belong to a small minority. I've made a ranking of my personal tastes, you've annoyed me with your ridiculous pretentiousness not backed by knowledge, I've sent you back to your corner. I'm still waiting for the NAMES, you can't come up with a single name. You talk in slogans like a teenager and pathetically try to overturn what happened here regarding my ranking. Read the sarcastic comments about you instead of continuing to spout bullshit. A pompous person is one who goes to others' rankings to act all knowledgeable (you). I couldn't care less about your personal tastes, I don't have to prove anything to you, I never paid attention to you before. I don’t come to bother you with that cocky tone about what you write. Do you understand the concept? It's very simple, and I've already explained it to you several times.
    • ZannaB
      14 jan 14
      You are right. Goodbye.
    • fes
      27 feb 14
      Rrrrrrrcoddiaz what a love story
    • ZannaB
      28 feb 14
      Rereading these comments, especially "There are thousands of music experts who literally shit on you that don't agree with you" (which was directed at Gian, not me), I can't help but think how true the editorial from ilFreddo on the homepage is: critics like experts!
    • ZannaB
      28 feb 14
      And anyway, yes Nes, so much love!
    • fes
      28 feb 14
      But I am not nes, I am fes!
    • ZannaB
      28 feb 14
      What the hell! Okay with the fakes, but at least change your damn photo!
    • fes
      1 mar 14
      with nes you don't have fun and then it's a fake.
  • nickfarrjones
    nickfarrjones
    10 jan 14
    Ah good, there he is, the know-it-all who doesn't even realize he is one. What do you know about the listener's tastes?????? Who are you to wish for them not to listen to Clapton? Who says it's not you who is in the wrong???? But come down from your pedestal, at least once in a while, instead of inviting others to do so. Some of those who appeal to the youth-wannabes who think they're young just because they read the album's release date are already miserably out of style.
     
  • Zeb
    Zeb
    10 jan 14
    for me Reptile by Clapton is a nice fresh album. And it's from 2001 if I remember correctly. So this story from 1970 goes all to hell?? For the rest, I agree with ce84. And, by the way, it's a great ranking as many have already said. But I really like it too, and I say that to the meanies who criticize without reason. 1 more for nickfarrjones, yeah
     
  • puntiniCAZpuntini
    puntiniCAZpuntini
    17 jan 14
    We miss your favorite Krautrock artist: Aloysius Alzheimer.
     
    • ZannaB
      17 jan 14
      We were missing an authoritative comment in this ranking!
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Look, I went to the funeral of a relative who had it for 8 years just the other day. These are illnesses that should be talked about with respect, without using them in contexts like this. You've given yourself the badge of idiot with an immensely foolish comment.
    • gognavergogna
      17 jan 14
      Well, this ranking seems awesome to me. There are several fantastic artists that I like too, and I'm 24 years old. I don't understand the pigeon shooting from someone three years later (reading the dates of the few negative comments). I think there's something going on, nickfarrjones. You must have stepped on someone’s toes...
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      ZannaB, maybe you should check out the ranking of the greatest artist of all time written by puntinicazzaro, and you'll see how authoritative it is. He included Frank Zappa and Syd Barrett, end of story. Old fool, him too, right???????'
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      Yes, but it's not the ranking, it's the bullshit you say.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      What type? Come on, you've already started off with a huge nonsense that says a lot about who you are, let's see how you continue...
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      Like this last comment.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      In the sense: you seem like a 10-year-old child.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Do you know how to argue, or do you only express yourself with silly jokes and monosyllables???
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Your opening was this: "We miss your favorite Krautrock artist: Aloysius Alzheimer." "Yeah, but it's not the ranking, it's the nonsense you say." "Like this last comment." "I mean: you sound like a 10-year-old." 4 lines from a 4-and-a-half-year-old. Foolish and rude, too.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      What should I do, repeat the same things others have said? What would that achieve, ending up with mothers like you already did? If I were rude, I would have given you the exact same rant they already did, wasting both our time. Instead, I’m polite, and I simply tell you that you’re not coming out of this discussion looking great. You couldn’t even come up with a joke: you recycled mine.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      which others? All the others? Do you only see us with one eye???? I see that you have no arguments, you speak in slogans, you don’t respond to the substance (like a minority of others or don’t you even know how to count???). The only one who put out names was that algol. You know, names like Eminem, Rem, Radiohead….uhm, hot stuff. The few others who have raised objections are more or less like you. Clumsy, evanescent, evasive, vague, dissipated, absolutely inconsistent. I didn’t recycle one of your jokes, I just reminded you of what you write. The vacuum.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      << which others? >> The others who are messing with you. << I see you have no arguments, >> Because, what’s the argument? I came here to mess with you in company. << you’re not addressing the point >> And why, what question did you ask me? You called me an imbecile for the joke about Ally Alzhy, I haven't seen any questions from you. << The only one who mentioned names was that algol. >> And what did he derive from that? You seem pretty stuck in your ideas. << The few others who have raised objections are more or less like you. >> Have you asked yourself why? Despite the fact that here a thousand records per head have been listened to (well), why is it that no one is arguing with you? Are you sure it's the others' fault? Now I’ve asked you some questions (you hadn’t asked me any). Since you’re polite, answer.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      I’ve already given you some answers; I see you’re having a hard time. You have serious comprehension problems. I suggest you read the contributions from: TheJargonKing, Emerson, March Horses, mal, ce84, graz88, giuss, grancistone, Zeb, and so on. With "which others?" I’m just trying to make you understand (but it’s tough, given your abilities) that the others you’re talking about are very few… You told me I say nonsense, but you don’t provide arguments to prove it. What nonsense? Do you know what it means to argue??????? Nobody argues with me???? I’ve already told you, read all the comments, not just the ones you like (the minority of users; I’ve already told you that you can’t count). Nice quantitative consideration then about the thousand records; it’s very clear that you from the minority weigh in…
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      I asked you precise, simple questions, and you didn't answer me. Then you call others rude... well, you seem to me like a kid pretending to be 50 years old.
    • R13569505
      17 jan 14
      nick, puntinicazpuntini is a poor soul who gets high on rap and Sardinian rhymes. "Have you ever wondered how?" He's so idiotic that he draws vital energy from the nonsense of others who support him.
    • R13569505
      17 jan 14
      "Never" missed
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      I replied, but you didn't notice. Biologically, you are much older than me, there's no doubt about it. I'm repeating it for the third time (repetita iuvant). The topic is "what nonsense would I have written?" I asked you above and you didn't respond. Like your few peers. Then learn Italian; it's written "qual è?" not "qual'è?"
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      I put apostrophes almost everywhere when I write as if I were speaking, I've been using keyboards since I was a child, everything goes from the keyboard to the brain in less than a second. Anyway, congratulations on the nonsense: you put thirty-eight ellipses, ten question marks in a row, and you go to criticize an apostrophe. Here, one of the many stupid things you write. Anyway, I explained myself poorly: by "stupid things" I don't mean you wrote "inaccurate things," I actually used the wrong term; the point is that it's obvious you're an idiot. Anyway, do you want a name that’s missing here? Okay: anything not played by bass guitar drums. There isn't even a hint of electronics, there's no jazz, in short, you're limited. But, a lot, dude. Very, very much. You still have a lot to hear...
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      It's all about standard formations. Like your brain: standard. I mean, I like them too, all of them. But to say it's the best is a different story - as I seem to understand you claim - there's quite a gap. Exactly as much of a gap as there is between a normal brain and a standard one. I don't know: Faust? Miles Davis? Autechre? Einstürzende Neubauten? Something a bit more complicated to grasp for your little brain? There's a world out there... you can do it...
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      And above all, it’s obvious that you’re the classic guitarist who hasn’t achieved a damn thing in life.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      but... you came here relying (not so well) on the excitement of the pack and now I find out that you're an ex-member of Tazenda?
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      The enthusiasm of the pack? To defend myself from someone who goes beyond the guitar? Dude, the guitarist is the most standard and common of opponents. I've met 20 guitarists like you who stopped in the 1970s just here, and hundreds outside of this place. They produce you in series, and since you’re so limited, the challenge is also limited. I couldn't care less about talking about 70s guitarists, conversations that were had in high school.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Jazz? Where do you want to start? From the Creoles? From Jelly Roll Morton? What do you know about jazz? I could write books on jazz...
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      I imagine: jazz guitarists. You are the typical failed guitarist, the stench can be sensed from gigabytes away.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Dude, you tell your peers, but that's enough... who’s messing with you? Explain it to me, I think they have it out for you. I don’t hang out much in this little spot, but it seems to me there are quite a few people here who are just clowning on you. Just a gut feeling.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Miles Davis... could you be any more cliché? If you had mentioned Pharoah Sanders, Ornette Coleman... You really picked someone who became great by copying.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      And anyway, I didn't just say Jazz. You're missing out on all the electronic music, which is about half of what's been produced in the last 40 years. Nothing to worry about, take it easy... your world of guitars is safer and more comfortable. If you want to remain convinced that you know loads, go ahead, but deep down you know that you're barricaded in a tiny corner while you prattle on about knowing the whole world by heart. And now I'm sorry, but I have to go; I would have gladly stayed to chat with you, but the beauty of the internet is that we can reconnect. Change the strings on your Telecaster for the weekend.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      But what do you know about what I listen to? How do you deduce it? What electronic music then? Psybient? Jumpstyle? Glitch (since you mention Autechre)? Drone Music? What?
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Since you've been generic, I'll respond a bit haphazardly. In the electronic genre, which simply isn't among my favorites, I appreciate in no particular order Kraftwerk (at least 3 albums: Autobahn, Trans-Europe Express, and The Man-Machine), Gary Numan, Suicide, Portishead, Brian Eno, David Byrne, Aphex Twin, the early Daft Punk, New Order, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Human League, Giorgio Moroder, Jean Michel Jarre, David Bowie to some extent, The Art of Noise, and Depeche Mode. I don't like Burial and Radiohead. I've missed something along the way, that's fine. It's not that I care too much about it. It's a genre I've deprioritized; it's not an unknown genre.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Popol Vuh, I had forgotten about them. But it doesn't change much of the substance.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      I had missed the nonsense about the standards. Would Pat Metheny be considered a standard? Oh, good. Now you're starting to say something really funny! Unintentional humor, obviously. But at least you've gotten away from that medioman cliché you started with.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      17 jan 14
      Find me a guitarist who listens to guitarists but doesn’t listen to Metheny. So, in your case - a guitarist who listens to guitarists - that's absolutely standard. I like him too, huh, I haven’t heard everything but what I have heard I’ve always liked. It remains quite standard, for your standard. Tell me a big name from "jumpstyle," because I’ve never heard that name in my life. For the rest, even the electronic names you mention are very tied to melody and therefore to your standard. And that’s perfectly fine, don’t get me wrong. There's no point in playing the name game; I just wanted to see the reaction of a human case, which I haven’t seen in a while. However, if it really comes down to it, you’re missing out on Faust. Trust me, they are worth much more than all the ones you mentioned, except Piccolo Braian and Claudio Scuolatze, of course. And Faust are truly electronic, despite recording in the early '70s, even today. Oh, the guitarist who listens to guitarists but doesn’t know Metheny, really find him for me.
    • hjhhjij
      17 jan 14
      "Little Braian" It may be trivial, but it's beautiful.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      The concept of standard is quite debatable. Metheny, at the end of the eighties, tried to imitate the sound of trumpets and Indian sitars; that doesn't exactly seem like standard behavior. Cream were innovators in the transition from blues to blues rock, becoming a source of inspiration for Hendrix himself. Anything that is innovative can become standard over time. This has been true and still is in jazz, for example, where the standard even becomes a goal. However, the extent of the innovation and the result should also be assessed. I'm not very much in agreement with the absolute syllogism melody=standard because otherwise, anything goes; you can compose phrases even on a toilet bowl and structure them. As long as they are not standard. Or melodic.
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Jumpstyle? Ha ha ha, you almost fell for it. It's Dutch or Belgian garbage. Big names? Which big names, I only casually know a group called Patrick Jumpen. Garbage.
    • nickfarrjones
      18 jan 14
      Faust? Yes, I have The Faust Tapes and Faust IV.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      18 jan 14
      I had written you a beautiful comment to explain that you didn’t understand at all the sense in which I was using the term "standard," but the server ate it. Anyway, if you read me again, I say *standard listening for a guitarist listening to guitarists*, which is different from *Metehny makes standard music*, very different. // And if for you saying *I’ve never heard that name in my life* is equivalent to *almost falling* into your (one can deduce, since I was supposed to fall for it) Jumpstyle trap... it seems you might also know how to speak Italian, but you still need to understand the mechanisms of an internet discussion. I mean: you don’t really grasp the *meanings*. Perhaps that’s also why you come across as so hostile.
    • mal
      18 jan 14
      this punticazpuntini resembles hijhij or whatever the hell it's called. It gives itself compliments, thinks its standards are universal, that it’s others who don’t understand, etc. In short, a huge inflated balloon with an ego as big as a pig that doesn't gauge well who’s in front of it. For me, it’s the one who doesn’t understand the difference between a ranking and a collection, just to start with. The ranking is a selection of what someone likes and identifies them, not a potpourri of what one listens to. Nick may be hostile, but what's wrong with that? Is it a problem? For me, he's written some absolutely valid things here, I couldn’t say in general. It’s my opinion, I’m not sure it’s as beautiful as he, in his secure and pompous way, is sure of his puntinicaz.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      18 jan 14
      << how, on the other hand, is safe and proud of its punktiniz >> With this statement, you completely contradict the thought expressed in your comment. And, if you read, you'll see that I didn't even mention your ranking, except to say that I like all the artists too. I congratulate myself for a laugh, but you'll understand this only by being here. Do you know when you go out for drinks with 5 people who have known each other for a long time, and you just met them? Do you know when they laugh at jokes that you "don't get"? Well, it's like that here. Do you think I should end every comment with "but it's just my opinion"? We're all grown-ups; it's OBVIOUS that it's just an opinion. Even more obvious, it should be that when discussing music, we don't hold the fates of the world in our hands, so they throw around a ton of absolutistic nonsense just for laughs. Laugh. Make a note of this verb in your agenda.
    • hjhhjij
      18 jan 14
      "He compliments himself, thinks his standard of judgment is universal." Are you sure you're okay? I keep saying that I like the people in this ranking a lot. So who knows... Nick wrote: "from the '80s onwards, there's nothing valid like in the previous decades," and that seemed like a beautifully absurd objective statement. So I wouldn't know who really thinks their standard of judgment is universal :)
    • mal
      18 jan 14
      Okay, just tell me you're not hjihj... that would be enough for me. The various hjhj, algol Zanna B don't really make me laugh. On the contrary, I find them truly depressing, like a wooden clip attached to the balls. And you're no different if you're like them. On the other hand, nfj is likable and makes me laugh; I find him really caustic when he pretends to get angry. Come on, it's clear from a mile away that he's a provocateur.
    • mal
      18 jan 14
      Here it is popping up right away, I called him. Incredible! Did you sleep well hjhhjij?
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      18 jan 14
      I repeat: You know when you go out for drinks with 5 people who have known each other for a long time, and you’ve just met them? You know when they laugh at jokes that you "don’t get"? Well, it's like that here. So: it’s normal that you’re not laughing. It’s not that you're slow, it’s just that you’re not catching—due to lack of familiarity—the "mood" (I can't find a better Italian word) of the comments and the outbursts. << Come on, it’s clear from a mile away that he's a provocateur >> Yes. He wants to laugh, I do too, everyone laughs in their own way. I hope you’re laughing too.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      18 jan 14
      Actually, better yet, do you know when you go to your girlfriend's work Christmas dinners, where she has a job completely different from yours? They’re cracking up, and to you, they seem like a bunch of idiots. Yeah, that’s it.
    • hjhhjij
      18 jan 14
      Sure sure Fury, but what I wrote, obviously, you haven't read :) Hello West Horse.
    • mal
      18 jan 14
      Do you see that it's you who doesn't understand? I'm extremely late! Anyway, for being an anti-social beast, she really stirred up quite a fuss with this discussion. Alright, I'm going to eat the risotto with sausage because I'm as hungry as a boar.
    • mal
      18 jan 14
      damn, wherever I turn, you're already there. At least choose a more decent name; I can never address you properly.
    • R13569505
      18 jan 14
      puntinicazpuntini has outdone himself, managing to quote miles davis, autreche eisturzende faust all at once! baaasta, my brain is breaking from so much complexity!
    • ZannaB
      20 jan 14
      Damn, Pata has also arrived to give Nick a hand. The cream of the crop of debasio users!
    • Renagade
      20 jan 14
      Sorry, but are you seriously responding to the bullshit he writes ...caz...? I get one reply, maybe two, just to keep him hyped up (that's his lifeblood), but then enough is enough. Come on, even in pure nonsense, there are far better things to do than to follow that little leech.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      20 jan 14
      Lorè, ever since they arrested the Indian, you've been insufferable.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      I was about to start a classical music ranking, but then I thought to myself: "Let’s see if I put Beethoven and not Giovanni Allevi, these 4 harpies from the forum will swoop in immediately to tell me I'm old," so I dropped it.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      Aside from the fact that we are quite a few who think like Nick. I would say that, at a glance, someone like Jargon knows much more on his own than you 4 or 5 losers put together who only know how to compete over who has the most records. It's pathetic what he wrote about having a thousand records and therefore knowing something. Maybe it's Scaruffi. Listening a lot doesn't mean knowing and understanding a lot.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      renegade, why do you call him caz? Since he likes cacophonous music, we should start calling him cacc.
    • lexus
      20 jan 14
      Regarding the discussion up there between Nick and Caz Puntini, I want to say one thing: Caz Puntini has a flaw; he mentions fundamental artists, artists who have given me something, but he does so with a stuck-up attitude. In reality, he's just a jerk, hanging around here on Debaser, insulting and getting insulted just to get attention, like a little neighborhood bully. Nick, on the other hand, from what I understand, thinks he's solved the problems of music with some riffs, maybe with some tapping or a 70s-style wig, believing he has unraveled every arcane thought of music.
    • lexus
      20 jan 14
      And I respond even if it should come to the usual, are you proud or do you suck musically, responding: Evolve, that's all.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      20 jan 14
      Lexus, you seem like you were made of MD at a party where everyone is on acid. Disoriented, quite a bit.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      70s wigs are awesome!
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      20 jan 14
      Dude, you didn't get shit from the discussion. Anyway, much more than Lexus.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      Discussion? What discussion?
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      20 jan 14
      What you are convinced you are thinking like Nick. You wrote it. And you use old and obsolete mass manipulation techniques, mein frau.
    • hjhhjij
      20 jan 14
      Mappoi Jargon only said that he liked Lake in many of Nick's rankings. And who says nothing? I even said that the ranking is nice... I’ve been happily talking about music with Jargon for almost 4 years whenever he happens to be around, and I have a feeling that if he heard "from the '80s onwards there hasn't been anything valid, etc." he would have a good laugh, maybe even two or three.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      But if I just turned 16 years and 3 months old and I've listened to 2347 records... Mom told me not to argue with strangers, especially those who don't know how to discuss.
    • lexus
      20 jan 14
      In fact, what discussion? Simply the discussion of someone defending themselves, turning the tables, let me ask you a question, even if someone is musically challenged, why do you have to be a pain in the ass? Nick made a questionable ranking, a ranking that I don't like, but why make a fuss just for the sake of making one, that’s all.
    • lexus
      20 jan 14
      We miss your favorite Krautrock artist: Aloysius Alzheimer, it's a quote of yours, and then from there you just kept babbling about trivialities.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      JJ, I believe someone or somebodies have already thoroughly explained that in the ranking of the greatest artist of all time, it’s not about what you listen to, but what you identify with the most. Otherwise, you might as well grab the Panini almanac and call it a day. So if someone puts Sigue Sigue Sputnik on the list, you can’t really fuss over them too much with the usual arrogant judgments. Saying something is old just because it was released in 1974 is childish, and I say this as a teenager.
    • lexus
      20 jan 14
      However, it’s not trivial to play a little game (I quote you) in a review written by a fake, made shamelessly just to get attention.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      to then contrast the Faust among other things, nice stuff that Camillo Benso's great-grandfather used to listen to
    • lexus
      20 jan 14
      The problem is that when you suggest shitty music and self-promote like I did, you mess up and you’re an idiot, right? And then you’re burned. But when you act like a fool, you're well-regarded, right Caz?
    • rolando303
      20 jan 14
      Mythical Sigue Sigue Sputnik! I even had the poster. They made a whole album with just one song :-D
    • hjhhjij
      20 jan 14
      Ahahahhaha :D
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      they really had cutting-edge outfits, not like those losers from the Faust who walked around with Bettino Craxi glasses
    • lexus
      20 jan 14
      You listen to nice music and beautiful things, you know how many times I've gone back to reread some of your comments, sometimes even intelligent if not overshadowed by your arrogance and your cosmic egocentrism? I just wanted to break your balls, as always, try to avoid it sometimes, because people, even if it's a review site and not reality, could end up feeling bad... admitting and saying that I'm not convinced by the ranking of nick.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      when I have nothing to do and I want to get insanely high, I will also look for some intelligent shit comment that will crack me up
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      20 jan 14
      But it wasn't "which discussion?". Let me explain: I joined those provoking the provocateur. You are trying to provoke the provocateur who joined the other provocateurs of the provocateur. However, you two - despite arriving last in a discussion that makes no sense - are trying to make serious arguments. To me, you seem like two real idiots who believe they are pointing out to someone being an idiot for laughs, that they are indeed an idiot; and you only do it because you haven't understood. Mal seemed to have understood, but then talks about "countering with the Fausts that are old"... exactly, right? No, it seems you haven't gotten it. Well. The internet isn't for everyone; you can't gesture or make doodles.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      20 jan 14
      Then the one about butchering the name - which is already deliberately silly - is truly the best of all. An apotheosis.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      Not being a discussion, I can totally fit in here, it was pretty clear even if it was implied. Damn, you're so standardized, you must be a gray accountant, right?
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      20 jan 14
      Old things are obsolete, my wife.
    • mal
      20 jan 14
      Yeah, then I saw that there's already a dotCAZpoint, I think that should be more than enough. But I'm 16 and a bit, I can listen to Imagine Dragons and Empire of the Sun and you can't tell me a damn thing. Got it, big guy?
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      20 jan 14
      mh-mh.
    • ZannaB
      21 jan 14
      Damn, Mal and Lex even managed to make Nick run away! You guys are really rude! And comment after comment it turns out that I'm the oldest, not Clapton! Luckily, there's Caz, who I know for sure (at least by age) beats me by a mile!
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      21 jan 14
      Great? I came in here when I was a kid, oh. Let's not mention the age, we're ladies... but do you remember Italia90? Not so much for me. I remember well from USA 94 onwards.
    • Lao Tze
      21 jan 14
      you haven't missed anything ;-)) I hardly remember it that well, but as far as I recall, Italia90 was the most tactical, ugly, and anti-spectacular World Cup ever. With the ugliest mascot of all time - let’s add that.
    • lexus
      21 jan 14
      italy-austria 1-0 (schillaci)
    • lexus
      21 jan 14
      Italy Czechoslovakia 2-0 (Baggio-Schillaci) Italy Uruguay 2-0 (Schillaci-Serena) Italy Ireland 1-0 (Schillaci) etc...
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      21 jan 14
      I'll tell you that as a mascot, for me It90 is absolutely the most beautiful, and the only one that's different and stylish. But really, no contest. ImageShack - Image Page - Damn, the others are all the same, Spain 82 is a joke... look how "Ciao" stands out. When it comes to style, we can't say anything, calcinelculo to the universe.
    • hjhhjij
      21 jan 14
      I agree, "Ciao" is the coolest, the others are just little puppets and animals. Can you compare that to a little man made of cubes with a ball for a head? Ciao...
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      21 jan 14
      "<< Spain 82 is a catch >> A catch called Arancino. well, trivialities."
    • Lao Tze
      21 jan 14
      Tastes... for sure we have STAND OUT, that’s for sure, then... whether in a positive or negative way, everyone judges for themselves. I still have the foosball table, from Ciao, by the way, which I bought that summer of 1990. One team in light blue shirts and one in white shirts. They probably anticipated an Italy-Germany final, eh eh, who knows...
    • ZannaB
      22 jan 14
      What, do you measure age with football? I couldn’t care less about football; I don't even remember the last World Cup (even though I've seen some matches). Let's say I remember (not perfectly, though) the articles about Cobain's death. If you remember Italy '90, I'd say you're ahead (note that I wrote ahead, not old, please appreciate!).
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      22 jan 14
      Ouch... I had the original Nirvana cassette tapes before his death. I was in middle school, but I had them. So: do forty push-ups, young recruit without hair.
    • Cunnuemammadua
      22 jan 14
      "the most tactical, ugly, and anti-spectacular World Cup ever" was USA 94, a Brazil almost as weak as today's, us who "has the skills but doesn't put in the effort," everyone else, some more, some less, all behind.
    • Cunnuemammadua
      22 jan 14
      and as a mascot instead of putting a bison or a grizzly, they placed a dog
    • ZannaB
      22 jan 14
      I got the Nirvana cassettes after their death because 1) before I was too busy with the postal market and 2) the CD player still cost too much!
    • ZannaB
      22 jan 14
      And I wanted to emphasize that soccer sucks.
    • rolando303
      22 jan 14
      Do I have the insecticide box? Is it worth anything? :-D
    • ZannaB
      22 jan 14
      Yes: a lot of memories stretched like the ribbon!
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      22 jan 14
      I have an entire box of Bic pens, just like the ones Cobain used to rewind the Melvins' tapes. It's my retirement plan.
    • ZannaB
      22 jan 14
      Are they the same ones Giggiddalessio used to rewind Nino D'Angelo's tapes?
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      22 jan 14
      Giggidalessio was chemically composed by the Camorra, for Cutolo's wedding. But where the hell do you live? Poor Italy, misinformed youth...
    • ZannaB
      22 jan 14
      "uninformed youth..." It had been a while since I last received compliments, thank you!!!
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      22 jan 14
      Always remember what Ke$ha says, before you celebrate.
    • algol
      22 jan 14
      Anyway, you big idiot, go recheck the list of artists you omitted. It's not like I only mentioned Eminem, Radiohead, and REM. Loser.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      22 jan 14
      Ihmmamma, again? We're talking about chemtrails Algol, get updated, stay in reality because the reptilians are watching you.
    • ZannaB
      22 jan 14
      But I don't remember it, in fact I don't even know what chescia says!
    • algol
      22 jan 14
      Ok. Argentina Italy World Cup 78 1-0 Bettega. I was already there and you’re all just kids. A hundred push-ups :-)
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      22 jan 14
      Yeah, now everyone is only listening to Stochausen... Ke$ha - Die Young (Official) I've already escaped, you're still in time. Hurry up.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      22 jan 14
      Holy shit Algol, you’re decomposing! :D
    • Lao Tze
      22 jan 14
      @Cunnu. they struggle, but Italia90 was worse. Brazil the worst ever, the total flop of the Netherlands who were among the favorites, the luck of England and Argentina who shouldn't even have made it past the first round. The only team that could win that World Cup did so deservedly. The only positive thing about Italia90 is that France wasn't there, and all the World Cups without France have their own reason.
    • ZannaB
      22 jan 14
      But Caz, I don't listen to Chescia or even Stocazzen! And I have this feeling that I'm a bit late to die young...
    • algol
      22 jan 14
      @Lao ... among the other good things of Italia 90, a truly spectacular Cameroon :-)
    • mal
      23 jan 14
      Well, Algol, the others you mentioned are either old or half-baked, so Nick is right to mess around, and the facts prove it.
    • algol
      24 jan 14
      Yes, bad. Some are also old (if we want to define Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, Beatles, and other nonsense, that's your problem) but they are not all traceable to a single period and a single genre. This is the point; the ranking, as personal and let's say cultured as it may be, is an expression of a musical vision limited in terms of chronology and aesthetics and saying that doesn’t seem like an offense to me, it’s an observation. Then tastes are tastes, and you can omit all the artists you want, but when you omit them all from 1980 onward a bit of perplexity is understandable. Right? And if you post your rankings on deb, you may also get some not-so-enthusiastic comments, without reacting like an hysterical queen.
    • ZannaB
      24 jan 14
      But are you giving us more? Come on, let's go listen to Marcus Miller, it's better!
    • algol
      24 jan 14
      You're right, Z :-)
    • mal
      24 jan 14
      Sorry Algol, let me ask you a question: are you completely out of your mind? Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, and Beatles? Didn't you contest the age of this ranking? I think it's clear to everyone, except for you two Chip & Dale, that if you compare Who and Jimi Hendrix to Zeppelin and Beatles, you're being ridiculous because we’re talking about great artists from the past in both cases. If you contrast the Melvins, Eminem, Radiohead, and Rem, with all due respect, you’re talking about nothing compared to a Clapton or a Santana. Is it clearer now? It seemed pretty obvious to me, damn it.
    • algol
      24 jan 14
      You're the fool. I haven't just disputed the seniority, that's obvious, but if you're slow and consider Melvins or Kyuss as lame, that's your problem.
    • algol
      24 jan 14
      This ranking is paleolithic, not old. No one says there should only be new stuff; it’s not a youthful discourse. It’s undeniable that it’s ALL atavistic stuff. Do you understand, you piece of shit?
    • mal
      24 jan 14
      Read the sentences through to the end at least once. Compared to those that Nick has listed, these are definitely not as good, except maybe for Joe Cocker, who's an incredible performer but can certainly be debated in this ranking from a certain point of view. The others are all giants who hold much greater significance compared to Melvins and Kyuss.
    • mal
      24 jan 14
      "an importance"
    • ZannaB
      26 jan 14
      Wait wait, I want to quote it again: "if there were now artists better than these I could accept similar comments, but not like this. Old music? Classy music never gets old, you’re really rambling. Of course, there are better artists than these today. It’s clear that there will be many better ones, but they always belong to the past." If you don’t realize the stupidity of this statement on your own, I’m sorry; if I want to talk to 2 idiots, I’d rather talk to my own, it gives me more satisfaction!
    • Lao Tze
      26 jan 14
      I'm sorry to say this, but deep down I'm cursing you, Zannone, because I fear that thanks to your comment, between today and tomorrow, I'll have 50 more notifications ;-)))
    • ZannaB
      27 jan 14
      I'm sorry, Lao, I wouldn't have wanted to, but he called us chip & dale! If I were chip, I'd be fine with it, but I could never stand being dale!
    • mal
      28 jan 14
      ZannaB, but does "B" stand for "Bevuto"? I'm the one who called you Chip & Dale. Instead: "if there were now artists better than these I could accept similar comments, but this just no etc etc etc bzzz bzzz bzzz" I think someone else wrote that. Anyway, you are CIOP, just to be clear.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      28 jan 14
      "I think someone else wrote it." Yeah, exactly. Someone else wrote it, not you. But it seems like you've lost the thread of the conversation quite a bit.
    • mal
      28 jan 14
      no cacc, It's you who doesn't understand a damn thing as usual, or ZannaB doesn't express himself well. Or maybe it's your fake. Who knows.
    • mal
      28 jan 14
      There’s no greater fool than the one who calls others stupid without proving it (this is for Zanna B).
    • mal
      28 jan 14
      Then excuse me, who would be the one insulting? Do you even read the comments from your partner Algol? There's nothing to understand there, just insults from a poor soul.
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      29 jan 14
      You've lost yourself in the maze of the discussion. Follow the light.
    • mal
      29 jan 14
      puntinicacc, do you diabolically persevere? I know perfectly well what I'm saying; you don't understand Italian. If ZannaB writes, "I want to mention him again" in one comment and in the following reply to Lao, he writes again "he called us Cip & Ciop," without specifying anything else, it's clear that he is referring to the same person (incorrectly) or omitting something. Clearer now? Do I need to draw you a picture?
    • algol
      30 jan 14
      bad. The first one to insult was you, calling me an idiot. And even nfj started insulting by elegantly bringing up my father... so what the hell are you talking about? You keep proving that you’re not perfectly oriented.
    • mal
      30 jan 14
      I asked you if you were crazy or not. It was an interrogative, doubtful, agnostic phrase. Call it whatever the hell you want. There was a nice question mark. It wasn't a sentence like the ones you throw out, acting superior. There’s a big difference from my point of view. Nfj, if he still exists, will answer for himself, I imagine. I can only say that I’m 200,000% on his side because maybe I would have reacted the same way to your arrogant behavior. You keep insisting as if it's an absolute truth that the ranking is OLD. I tell you that this is a CLASSIC ranking, largely made up of historically INNOVATIVE artists. I don’t know if you understand how much difference there is between OLD and CLASSIC. I believe they are exactly at opposite ends; what is classic never fades away by definition. Time will tell us who will endure in 100 years, between Clapton and Kyuss (are Kyuss a good example for you instead of Eminem?). I’ll go with the former.
    • mal
      30 jan 14
      "I can" not "I weigh down."
    • rolando303
      30 jan 14
      I also believe that certain people like Clapton will still be remembered in 100 years.
    • algol
      31 jan 14
      Yes, I understand the difference between old and classic. Just as I do between innovative and non-innovative, and in this case, there's very little that's innovative. The point isn’t who will be remembered in 100 years (probably both Clapton and Kyuss) but that a whole body of work has been ignored from a certain point onward. Therefore, the ranking is classic but also OLD, with artists who are damned outdated, for God's sake. And I don't think I'm being arrogant in saying this; I repeat that it's a ranking that's also culturally enriched and composed of great artists, but asserting that it’s OLD doesn’t seem like a crime to me. Anyway, I’m also starting to get fed up, since it's a dialogue among the deaf. Peace to you, mal.
    • ZannaB
      31 jan 14
      But when I wrote "quote him," I meant the comment. I responded to you because you kept defending Nick's thoughts, and I only highlighted what I believe to be wrong. And remember: if you don’t understand something well, there are two cases: either the person speaking to you is not explaining it properly, or you are not listening (reading) well.
    • ZannaB
      31 jan 14
      Anyway, the ranking will be classic, old, elegant, call it what you want, but if someone comes here and says "most of the recent musical production has been omitted" and someone denies it, they're an idiot, simply because they're denying the truth. Then, if to justify their statement they make outlandish claims like the one I've been quoting for a while... well, at this point the result is simply all the fuss that has arisen from the nonsense in question.
    • ZannaB
      31 jan 14
      Oh, I almost forgot... Lao was right to curse me, but he should have been more careful when commenting on "hot" topics! ;-)
    • puntiniCAZpuntini
      31 jan 14
      Or you are Massimo F. and you go by Geeno.
    • ZannaB
      31 jan 14
      Right! Gino shit!
    • Renagade
      31 jan 14
      But what does "outdated artists" mean? Are we talking about smartphones, notebooks, cars? Outdated by whom or by what? Who has surpassed Hendrix? Who has surpassed The Who? Just out of curiosity, you know.
    • giuss
      31 jan 14
      You four meddling old ladies have really gotten on my nerves too. If Nick lists only 21 artists he considers the best, saying he omitted anyone is complete nonsense. He evaluates the worth of artists, and it's perfectly fine if he doesn't include the most recent ones. These are his top 20. If I were to make a list of the best painters, I'd include Monet, but not Pollock. For heaven's sake, I don’t have to include someone inferior just to show that I'm up-to-date. Clapton is worth 100 Kyuss put together, sorry for those who don't get it. As for the rest, I'm just saying that he expresses himself perfectly in Italian, while others do so much less. And they understand even less, judging by the comments.
    • ZannaB
      31 jan 14
      Good job Giuss, you're right!
    • mal
      31 jan 14
      ZannaB, in general I don’t know. But here you expressed yourself poorly, objectively. I've never had comprehension problems in my life, and neither have those who are related to me, so certain little jokes don’t even tickle me. For the rest, giuss perfectly interpreted my thoughts; I don't feel the need to add anything else. I'm tired of defending the position, which I consider absolutely legitimate, of nick. Then it doesn’t seem to me that he cares any more either, since he has disappeared. If you want, keep talking over each other. However, I see that those who throw sarcasm don’t use it on nick; they use it on you. That's all. Au revoir.
    • ZannaB
      2 feb 14
      My Mal wasn't a bullshit joke, it was just truth that, moreover, didn't want to imply anything, you misunderstood. I rather didn't understand your last sentence about sarcasm but (just to stay on the topic of sarcasm) it will definitely be my problem. And I agree, enough with this story that has pissed everyone off. PS: I liked the previous photo of Mal better.
    • Ponzio Depilato
      11 feb 14
      Of course, ALGOL has terrible tastes....
    • fes
      27 feb 14
      In my opinion, puntinicazpuntini has listened to a thousand albums because he basically has nothing better to do. But he listened to a thousand random ones, the wrong ones. Then he has this junkie look, and the Debaser T-shirt looks terrible on him.
    • ZannaB
      28 feb 14
      "... basically, he doesn't have a damn thing to do." Well, I envy him a bit...
  • SilasLang
    SilasLang
    17 jan 14
    I demand the return of MetallatoBionico and the Contatoredicasiumani IMMEDIATELY. I'm going to get drunk and have sex because it's Friday night...
     
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      To be honest, I really like your ranking, you know that you are an elder.
    • SilasLang
      18 jan 14
      well, I'm 38 years old
  • SilasLang
    SilasLang
    17 jan 14
    MetallaRO, pardon.. I'm already going..
     
  • hjhhjij
    hjhhjij
    17 jan 14
    "I can write books about jazz...." Shit, but actually, you could. Just don't, thanks.
     
    • nickfarrjones
      17 jan 14
      Don't worry, I wouldn't be able to compete with you in a field where you excel so brilliantly. The shit, precisely.
    • hjhhjij
      17 jan 14
      Oh really? What a pity, I actually like almost all the artists in your ranking...
    • Renagade
      21 jan 14
      he's out there crusading against fakes, when the username hjhhjij is just one of his many accounts. a fake complaining about fakes is truly immoral, ah ah ah
    • ZannaB
      21 jan 14
      You Renegade, whose fake are you instead?
    • hjhhjij
      21 jan 14
      "when the nickname hjhhjij is just one of his many accounts" I hadn't seen this, I'm laughing like crazy :D
    • mal
      23 jan 14
      in my opinion hjhhjij (which I copied and pasted) is the fake of nickfarrjones who doesn’t get along with himself even though he likes the same music
  • rolando303
    rolando303
    21 jan 14
    I didn't quite understand: Miles Davis would have become famous because he copied ???????
     
    • ZannaB
      21 jan 14
      Why? Didn't you know?
    • hjhhjij
      21 jan 14
      But, rolando, in short... These are the basics.
    • rolando303
      22 jan 14
      I had my doubts. Perhaps, when he came to Italy, he got a trumpet from my uncle. It’s possible.
    • hjhhjij
      22 jan 14
      Oh yes. That's how it went.
    • mal
      31 jan 14
      rolà, Miles Davis admitted to reworking a lot of things already heard; someone on debaser (such as "Contemplazione") defined him as a genius of assimilation. I fully agree with him, by the way I noticed that he is an excellent connoisseur of jazz and I have greatly enjoyed reading several of his reviews. In short, copying is a big word; let’s say that Miles is the equivalent of Led Zeppelin in jazz. At least, that’s how I see it. Augh!
    • rolando303
      31 jan 14
      Hello Mal :-D you are confusing me though :-D
    • ZannaB
      2 feb 14
      Well! I believe that the Zeppelins were copied, Davis was inspired. Those are two very different things! As for the fact that both results were really cool, that's not up for discussion.
    • mal
      2 feb 14
      it could be too
  • giuss
    giuss
    28 jan 14
    I would like to create a ranking of the greatest statesmen of all time, a bit youthful to avoid criticism and to appeal to the more forward-thinking minds of Debaser.
    So:
    1 Garibaldi (socialist)
    2 Julius Caesar
    3 Napoleon
    4 Capezzone
    5 Taradash
    6 Renzo Bossi alias Il Trota
    7 Teodoro Buontempo alias Er Pecora
     
    • mal
      30 jan 14
      aha aha aha, I'd also say Lara Comi is much sharper than that old bastard Richelieu.
  • Marin
    Marin
    18 jun 20
    @[Stanlio] Buddy, because in my opinion you’re coming back.
     
    • Stanlio
      18 jun 20
      Oh really, bott' e rispuost' accà par d stà a tiatr...
    • Marin
      18 jun 20
      Who knows how many arricrieament there are on debaser that we don't know about; if you come across any, let me know, and I'll let you know if I find any coccurun.
    • Stanlio
      19 jun 20
      Yes bro, no, do I find coccurun your ric alright?
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