mj64

Skassalkatzaja, congratulations on the wit of your comments. But did you join Debaser with the sole goal of demolishing "Wind and Wuthering," or will you allow yourself to discuss other topics? Perhaps the excellent Max Pezzali? In any case, I have something to say about the fact that "Liliwhite Lilith" is the most "protopunk" track by Lamb (and by the way, that term gives me chills. You know what my dream for the summer of 2008 would be? To sneak into a Sex Pistols concert and attack Johnny Rotten with his own catheter). Jokes aside, I find this attempt to "de-Gabrielize" The Lamb quite tiresome, as much as those who try to strip Genesis of any meaning outside of Peter’s presence. And what does it mean to me that Phil Collins composed "Liliwhite Lilith"? Maybe I (or others who hold similar views) have never said that Phil Collins isn’t a great drummer, excellent vocalist, and good composer? Certainly, if I have to choose between him and Gabriel, considering their subsequent careers, I'd choose Peter (by the way, I also love "So," "Us," and "Up"; I find very little to throw away, even when it explores very commercial territories), but that doesn’t mean I don’t recognize Phil’s incredibly important role in what remains, after all, my absolute favorite band. And there’s much to save in the solo albums too (especially in the first two).

Unfortunately, the review of the 883 has even more.

I am quite proud to have sparked the debate thanks to my closure of comment number 13. 68 comments in a day on an album from 32 years ago (and a rather marginal one :) just kidding) is certainly not a small number. Anyway, I stand by my opinion, and I fully share Skassalkatzaja's views on the lamb: while it is well known that the musical part of the album was completely entrusted to tony-mike, I definitely believe that Peter had a hand in the musical direction of the album, which is progressive in a broad sense but has sounds that are decidedly new compared to the previous ones. Additionally, it bears several similarities to PG's first two solo works. As for citing "for absent friends," "arlequin," and "more fool me" as shining examples of the more "gentle" Genesis, it seems to me somewhat of an own goal: they are unanimously considered the weak links of their respective albums; I like them too, but how about the compositional variety of "can-utility," "get 'em out by friday" (and please read the lyrics), "dancin with the moonlit k"? Regarding the criticisms of "the lamb," I can understand that it’s a difficult album to digest, but I find it by far the greatest concept album of all time, a true masterpiece that deserves entire books to analyze it on various levels, from the music to the lyrics to the multifaceted symbolism it contains. Best regards, Gabriel fans.

Guys, it’s not about idolizing or rehashing worn-out clichés: I can't help it if I idolize Peter Gabriel, and conversely, after 25 years I tend to buy whatever garbage he throws my way, while I can’t stand the bald little guy. I know perfectly well that PG's musical contribution to Genesis albums wasn’t exactly fundamental (but should we talk about the lyrics?), but I can't do anything about the fact that even the best "4" album (and both are musically nearly perfect) gives me a third of the emotions I feel listening to the worst album with Peter. And I'm not joking: it’s clear that I would be cursing if I called From Genesis to Revelation better than Wind & Wuthering, but for me, even in that album, naive, poorly recorded, with terrible arrangements and embryonic songs, there’s a bit of magic that I don’t find in the subsequent albums. And this doesn’t take anything away from the greatness of Tony Banks, Steve Hackett, Phil Collins, and Mike Rutherford. I would also add Ant Phillips. Angelic greetings. And feel free to insult me, but if we can’t even express a judgment anymore (and I emphasize that I rated this album a 4 trending towards 4.5).

Guys, it’s not about idolizing or rehashing worn-out clichés: I can't help it if I idolize Peter Gabriel, and conversely, after 25 years I tend to buy whatever garbage he throws my way, while I can’t stand the bald little guy. I know perfectly well that PG's musical contribution to Genesis albums wasn’t exactly fundamental (but should we talk about the lyrics?), but I can't do anything about the fact that even the best "4" album (and both are musically nearly perfect) gives me a third of the emotions I feel listening to the worst album with Peter. And I'm not joking: it’s clear that I would be cursing if I called From Genesis to Revelation better than Wind & Wuthering, but for me, even in that album, naive, poorly recorded, with terrible arrangements and embryonic songs, there’s a bit of magic that I don’t find in the subsequent albums. And this doesn’t take anything away from the greatness of Tony Banks, Steve Hackett, Phil Collins, and Mike Rutherford. I would also add Ant Phillips. Angelic greetings. And feel free to insult me, but if we can’t even express a judgment anymore (and I emphasize that I rated this album a 4 trending towards 4.5).

So, regarding the repeat in the costume of Goofy or Mickey Mouse, I can testify that there was an amazing picture a few months ago on the legendary Mauro's MySpace (I don’t know if it still exists; where I am now, I can't access MS). I think the review is decent, as it has a nice ironic flair. Obviously, the musical product is about as low as you can imagine, but the fact that it received 82 comments in just a few hours says a lot.

ah night and day. I had never thought about it, but between this and night and day (another great album) there are indeed connections.
anyway, nightfly is truly an album that you must have. great donald fagen, great steely dan.

Unfortunately, I think too that if Steve hadn't left the band, the results would have been only slightly different. After all, even in his solo career, after the excellent debut, he hasn't produced only prog masterpieces. Still, a great farewell by Steve Hackett and a great record, but 5 no; I would go as far as 4.5, but this album and ATOTT do have a significant flaw at their core. And I won't even tell you what it is...

Anyway, a great album. I also enjoy the forays into pop, like the title track and Model Man, which remind me a bit of Talking Heads.