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They shared a simplistic approach to rock music. They were both "punk," but in two different senses of the term. The Ramones were perhaps punk at a deeper, more conceptual, more abstract level...

They definitely knew, Phidias... That they played music that was partially different, this is true...

So... I believe that both the Ramones and the Pistols represent the essence of punk: the former for their form; the latter for their content. Just yesterday, sitting on the toilet, I reflected on something: however strange it may seem, the first heirs of the NY Dolls were not their fellow citizens the Ramones, but the British Sex Pistols. If you pay attention, the songs of the Sex Pistols are a degenerate version of the boogie of the Dolls, while those of the Ramones seem to completely skip the Stones--->Stooges/MC5--->NY Dolls axis, instead fishing for the watered-down rock'n'roll of the early '60s (surf, beat, vocal groups, girl groups...), capturing its stereotypes (the simple chords, the steady rhythms, the silly harmonies, the catchy melodies), amplifying and emphasizing them. The Ramones didn't even attempt solos; the Pistols did them and messed them up. So, I tend to believe that the Ramones' revolution was more conscious than that of the Pistols: but perhaps it's precisely this ignorance that makes the Pistols the most punk of all. A significant review, especially for what is said in the penultimate paragraph.

Anyway, this album is a great debut... every time I listen to it again, I like it more and more... At least up to Modern Times R'n'R... The production is a drawback, but the talent is undeniable...

perfect! :-)))

Yeah... the same things... but it's better to reiterate them whenever the opportunity arises... Anyway, yes, it's clear that you and I think alike on this matter... ;-)

In the meantime, I've listened to them carefully again...I like them...I need to correct my previous comment: indeed, you can hear Slint (but only the “folk” tracks by Don Aman and For Dinner). Like a more geometric Meat Puppets, more neurotic Grateful Dead, more baroque Slint, with traces of Beefheart (the brainy For Soren Mueller) and even Henry Cow (Jar of Fat sounds like it came out of In Praise of Learning), these Gastr del Sol seem to me a very interesting, bizarre, disorienting band, apparently pretentious and scattershot, but in reality very clear-headed...It’s a kind of free-folk, where even the tracks that have no head or tail (Watery Kentucky, Odd Orbit) manage to keep the interest and suspense high. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

For me, when the true identity of the Residents is revealed, we'll all be left speechless. :-O

I really liked Due Destini, year 2001. Just that one, though.

WOW TRELLY, YOU HAVE A NEW ADMIRER!!! :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD