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Helstar Nosferatu
Helstar Nosferatu
22 aug 06
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4) I will say more: the examples we both brought lead me to believe that it is only rarely and in very few cases that one can speak of pure "speed" groups or albums (unless one wants to refer to the '90s power speed, but that's another matter). To give an example (and I want to emphasize, this is just a mere example - and, by the way, the first one that comes to my mind) is "Thundersteel" by Riot a speed album?!? In my opinion, no.
Helstar Nosferatu
Helstar Nosferatu
22 aug 06
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3) I return to my first note on your second comment: I also believe that "Gates.." has a typically speed attitude.. would you consider the RW a speed group?!? Honestly, I don’t! The same goes, for example, for "Perfect Man" by Rage. Or for the second Paradox. In my opinion, thrash and speed are distinct entities, with only partially different roots (the NWOBHM influence is undeniable for both), but which have developed and spread independently and in parallel.
Helstar Nosferatu
Helstar Nosferatu
22 aug 06
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2) My reference to Watchtower was merely to make you aware of a genre that, it seemed to me, you were not familiar with. I had no intention of comparing Helstar to Watchtower, just as in my previous comment, my simple mention of Iron Angel had the sole purpose of highlighting a typical case in which, out of 100 metalheads, 50 would swear on their gear that it is speed and 50 that it is thrash. As such, in the review, I refer to it as "proto prog thrash" precisely to emphasize the imperfect adherence of this record to the hyper-technical thrash typical of the early '90s.
Helstar Nosferatu
Helstar Nosferatu
22 aug 06
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I apologize for the delay in my response, but my return to work has been somewhat tragic. Anyway, here we are stubbornly fixating on mere labels! With these premises, we could go on for days talking about the same things while continuing to call them by different names. So:
1) Techno thrash is also referred to by many as prog thrash. If you prefer "techno," I don't know what to tell you; the term is certainly not incorrect. As far as I'm concerned, the two terms are interchangeable. If the problem is just the use of one term over another, well... then I promise that from now on I will only use "techno" to avoid confusion. And anyway, after listening to many episodes of the genre (if we don't want to speak of a true genre), there is a strong feeling of facing a progressive metal in the strict sense;
Helstar Nosferatu
Helstar Nosferatu
21 aug 06
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...and, anyway, it has nothing to do with speed!
Helstar Nosferatu
Helstar Nosferatu
21 aug 06
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That said, I inform you that prog thrash (or techno thrash) was an interesting phenomenon at the beginning of the last decade. Perhaps short-lived and involving a decidedly limited number of bands, but certainly valuable in many cases regarding the results produced. Listen to Watchtower and we’ll talk about it again..!! Nosferatu is not yet part - historically and musically - of that environment, but certainly, along with, for example, "Deception Ignored" by Deathrow, it represents a precursor, a trailblazer. Hence the label (I repeat, invented) of Proto Prog Thrash.
Helstar Nosferatu
Helstar Nosferatu
21 aug 06
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It was not my intention to intensify the tones of the controversy. I apologize if I gave a different impression (comment written during lunch break, very quickly). So: I mentioned Iron Angel precisely to show you how weak and purely "nominalistic" every clear distinction between speed and thrash becomes, especially when referring to certain bands! The example of Metallica was just to help you understand how simplistic and generalized your classification can be where melody=speed/violence=thrash (even on the issue that thrash would be an evolution of speed, there could be a debate, but I preferred to refrain...).
Helstar Nosferatu
Helstar Nosferatu
21 aug 06
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..come on!! According to your reasoning, even Running Wild (think of "Riding The Storm" or "Masquerade"), Jaguar, or even Deep Purple with "Speed King" from 1970 (!!) or "Fireball" from 1971 would be considered speed!!!..and what about Iron Angel?!? Do you think they are thrash or speed?!? The truth is that labeling and classifications matter very little in this case. You can't draw a clear line where if there’s melody it’s speed and if there’s "only violence" (pah!!) it’s thrash!! Think of many clearly thrash bands - mostly from the Bay Area - that use a lot of melody (the most obvious example being Metallica! - I’d also include Annihilator, but that's a more delicate discussion). As for the bands you mentioned: Agent Steel undoubtedly has a thrashy component (just think of "Evil Eyes/Evil Mind"), perhaps less pronounced and more diluted with melody compared to other bands, but undeniable. Similarly, you can only recognize a general preference for fast tempos in Exciter, but in terms of riffs and approach, they are typically Heavy (and episodes like "Iron Dogs" abound). The same goes for Savage Grace. In short: if one wishes to consider '80s speed as a standalone genre, one must acknowledge its contours are too blurred to label a band exclusively as such.
Metal Church Human Factor
Metal Church Human Factor
21 aug 06
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I had in mind to write the review of "The Dark," as soon as I got back from vacation, precisely to fill the gap of reviews on Metal Church... and then look what I find! Well... what can I say... the album is more than decent, but it doesn't hold up against the other masterpieces of the band (especially from the "early period"). The review is objectively awful: not a mention of the lineup changes, not a word about the variety of the sound... let’s leave it at that, shall we?
Jethro Tull Living In The Past
Jethro Tull Living In The Past
21 aug 06
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I simply add my endorsement to what has already been said by those who came before me. Once again, congratulations!
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