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I WROTE WARP. Sorry if it was born in the 90s.

<< And it’s pointless to beat around the bush: you said “born,” and fortunately some people read these things and form an idea about your knowledge >> Too bad I specified "in its modern form." It’s useless for you to shoot me with the same old spiel about who first used an electronic gadget, because beyond the tool used, the form of Stockhausen's pieces is vastly different from that of modern electronics (ok, now I’ll always add "modern," happy?), but it’s precise to many things Kraut. Stockhausen is a million times more known than a Rother; it’s nearly impossible not to know who Stockhausen is, so don’t come at me with nonsense like "you didn’t know about Stockhausen," because that’s almost like talking about Hard Rock and saying "you don’t know Jimi." I’ll repeat: modern electronics was born with Kraut, not with Stockhausen, nor with Canaxis V (there, I caught Canaxis here), but with the developments that came afterward. And now I’m sorry but I really have to go now, I’m glad you ate quickly, but the digestion suffers. When I come back, I’m sure I’ll find a dinger table explaining that by taking the square root of Richard James you get Stockhausen cubed, and that’s always more fun.

"You came to question me about Bennato, Battisti, and company, knowing nothing about them (now you deny it, but who cares)." I didn't question anything, I just told you they're not for me. "Because even the comments you've left here make it clear that you discovered Czukay, Rother, and company through reviews from Ege, Airone, and various others." Please, I've figured out what the artists were called here (I even thought Neu! were Kraftwerk, but the important thing is to listen to the record, not to know the name of the artist: it's just trivia), but I had the albums of Can, Neu!, Kraftwerk, and the main ones by Faust even on cassette. Here, at most, I got tips about the more marginal works, Faust Tapes, demos, and various things, but I was already quite familiar with the whole situation for a long time. If there's one thing I absolutely didn't know, it's all the material by Josi_ Trell & Co., all the so-called Lagna-Rock. That's what I've gotten to know here, but psychedelia, progressive electronics, and everything that was the '60s and '70s, I had indulged in long before I could vote. While you were still on the beach singing "pink flowers, peach blossoms." Humble bragging a bit, I was lucky enough to meet older drug addicts full of records, and I copied them all. You were with the good kids on the beach making bonfires. Take care to digest well during my absence; I'll be thinking of you.

But Del Piero's bird is all mine, remember that.

"Oh well, at least in the second post, you showed that you understood the issue." I got the issue right away, but I repeat, it had nothing to do with the starting point, and I couldn't care less about analyzing the term Borderline. It's just a damn word; not everyone is as messed up as you that has to dissect everything based on various meanings. You should try to understand the final sense of the matter, and that's it. The final sense of the matter was Cope and his book; who the hell cared about the cosmic rant you proposed. After you complained 800 times about this infinitesimal and pointless point, I finally responded... but it’s trivialities, and you manage to pull out even mathematical rules from it. But get real; you listened to two albums in a month, and now you're talking about the history of music when you arrived here not knowing anyone beyond Battisti. You go eat, while I, unfortunately, have to log off until next Wednesday. Eat well, and digest better, and if you find Miss Italia's hot chick, do some Plin Plin for me too.

<< E Boat-Woman-Song by Czukay in Canaxis V >> What the hell does Canaxis V have to do with modern electronics? Besides the fact that I have all those things, and you can't share anything private with me because I can't download, modern electronics derives from things that came later. Kraut comes from Stockhausen and his buddies, but Kraut has evolved the discourse A LOT to turn it into modern electronics. Warp derives from Kraut, and even if Kraut in turn comes from other things, it doesn't change the fact that Warp (and similar) derives from Kraut. Not from Stockhausen. You can't go into family lineages like Warp being the son of Kraut, who is the son of Varese, therefore Warp is the grandson of Grandpa Varese. It's music, and you can wipe your ass with family trees; it's pure pedantry that serves very little purpose.

<< And I stick to mathematical rules like you stick to your usual fanciful digressions, wrapped up in a typical cliché phrase like “Eat healthy and return to nature.” >> Too bad I know that “eating healthy and returning to nature” is nonsense, while you genuinely believe you’re saying something serious by applying fixed rules to music. But do me a favor.

"Come on, how many times do you have that little quarrel?" In fact, I wrote to you: THIS TIME.

"More kraut-rock has died, not electronic music. Which, unfortunately for you, didn't start with Faust and their crew." Noo, it started with the Roman tambourine players beating battle rhythms. But give me a break, the modern form of electronic music of various kinds is German. I've never heard any electronic artist say, "my sources of inspiration are Stockhausen and his cousin Karl Heinz," while I always read "kraut-rock, kraut-rock, kraut-rock." And before I read it, I hear it and realize it. You do the opposite; first you read about it online and then you listen. Your problem is the same as that of everyone who has been listening to music since the internet came along: you know who an artist is, where they come from, and who they are inspired by before you listen to them, and you form a preconceived notion based on your idea of what they've created. If instead you put on a record, listen to it, and decide for yourself what inspires you, you see that perceptions change, and they change drastically. When do you ever put on Autechre and think of Stockhausen... come on.

Point on the Borderline: I write borderline, and I emphasize borderline, because both Kraut and Progressive are movements (as you call them) that nonetheless share a musical genre. Not everyone sounds the same, but at least 80% of the elements that create them are very similar. The Area in prog are special, but the area includes many: Yes, EL&P, Camel, Genesis, and Gong all sound similar, so it can be said that prog, and that of those groups... even if there are people who interpret it differently, it can be said that prog is that. The same goes for Kraut, even if the Duul 2 sound different, and Can different from Duul... there are still a huge number of bands that sound exactly the same, like Schulze, TD organisation, Ash Ra, early Kraftwerk and various others, so in the end, it’s a matter of majority; Kraut is that: proto-electronic. And the Duul 1, by playing different things, become Borderline. But, in the end of it all, do you realize you're building a ridiculous rant on the word Borderline? They’re just words, and you manage to construct a fixed mathematical thought on top of them: you’re not doing well at all.