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The guitar lines in David's solos in songs like "Time" or "Money" always have a redemptive quality for me............I own it both on vinyl and on CD.

Memorable solos, yes, just like Gilmour often does, the ending of Eclipse has always given me chills, perfect, in 2 minutes it encapsulates everything that has happened in the album and brings it to a perfect conclusion, a liberating finale.

Yet, after more than forty years, it remains an album of such "freshness" that disarms; a sound so full, with the songs flowing seamlessly into one another, and a production that can only be described as perfect—almost reductive. I stop here, otherwise my absolute love for this WORK OF ART drives me to go on infinitely.

My favorite remains Dark Side, but this one comes right after. ;) The Wall, on the other hand, I place a good number of positions lower.

Oh my, Syd Barrett is turning in his grave. Yet he worked so hard to make Astronomy Domine!

Right after The Wall and Wish You Were Here, I place Animals, followed by Dark Side of the Moon and Meddle, sharing the same spot :)

I don't think Syd was that committed :D No, but Holdsworth is right, goats!

hyyiyiyiiy knows very well that I consider the piper at the gates of dawn a masterpiece, the greatest psychedelic album of the 60s, but the Pink Floyd I prefer are in those 5 albums.

For me, even those from the psychedelic period are masterpieces, but I have a special attachment to Pink Floyd from '70 to '77 for personal reasons. :)

And then hey, here’s someone who picked a pretty explicit nickname huh :D

If that's the case, with the nicknames, you’d both be in it together ;) Anyway, you don’t have to explain the history of your lives to me, guys. I intervened just a little, I’ve been out running and exercising since 7 in the morning, and now I needed to say some nonsense :D

Oh yes. :)

I was referring to Syd, of course; mine is madCAT, not madCAP :D

It's true, I've known it for centuries, but I repeat, I'm a bit low on oxygen.

Yes, that (just slimmer) was me a couple of hours ago (I had already been active for another two), completely worn out. I must have killed a couple of gardeners :D

Did you also follow the girl in red? :D

No mad, I haven't seen any hill in front of me :D

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A remarkable album, released amidst punk, has not gone unnoticed at all; on the contrary. Quality and style to spare here.

Meho

definitely Mad.

In the sense that you are crazy, yes :-)

A slightly adequate album, seasoned with atmospheres just above banality. Pink Floyd are the band where the boss was a certain Waters.

But look, setting aside the evaluation of the album (that's a matter of taste and perspective), what has always perplexed me is the desire to pinpoint who was the rooster in the Pink Floyd chicken coop. I have a deep respect for Waters and his great songwriting, but in terms of sound and musicality, he would have accomplished very little with Pink Floyd without Gilmour and Wright. Without Waters, Pink Floyd certainly lost a lot (and vice versa), but the "Pink Floyd sound" was essentially those two. So honestly, between Pink Floyd without Gilmour and Pink Floyd without Waters, I would still prefer the second option. However, I find it utterly pointless to argue about who was the boss.

Personally, I’ve always thought that the greatness of Pink Floyd (and I’m referring to the post-Barrett Pink Floyd, before someone asks me "and Syd?" :D) stemmed from the meeting of a genius (Roger) and two musical geniuses (David and Rick). This implies that the first, who was not particularly relevant from a purely musical standpoint (let’s be honest, anyone could have played the bass in place of Roger, considering that Gilmour played it on several studio recordings...), was essentially the "mind" of the group, the fundamental creator of the conceptual and lyrical side, while the other two were tasked with defining the musical universe that would give voice to the ideas of the volcanic bassist/lyricist.
The Floyd without Waters haven’t lost (in my opinion) anything at all in terms of music and sound; rather, they lost a great deal on the conceptual level (so much so that to write the lyrics they had to call in outside people like David’s wife...). Conversely, Roger as a solo artist has always had crystal-clear ideas regarding concepts and lyrics, but the same cannot be said for the musical side, which at least in his first two albums is not perfectly focused (just look at the almost total melodic inconsistency of the verbose "The Pros and Cons...", saved only by Clapton’s exquisite guitar, and the unthinkable plastic pop hit of the ‘80s "Radio Kaos", which ruins tracks that with a different production approach could have been truly excellent). However, I don't think I need to reiterate that I am crazy in love with Waters' songwriting...

Anyway, I really like this album a lot, but I wouldn’t give it 5 stars because then I’d have to give at least 7 to "Dark Side" and "Wish," and that wouldn't be possible, so I would lean towards a solid 4. It's a really great piece of work, no ifs or buts.

The Punk Floyd without Waters are a band like many others. Radio K.A.O.S, while not a masterpiece, contains some truly interesting tracks, just as 'The Pros andò cons' does.

I repeat, tastes. Although I don't know how much "a group like many others" can produce records like this and perform live like "Pulse," to stay within the period.

Anyway, that "PUnk Floyd" is fantastic!

Perhaps I was not very clear about my position on Roger's early solo work. I really like them, but I find that on the musical side (be it melodic or related to production and arrangements) they have many weaknesses that the Floyd's work has never had, neither with Roger nor without him. But as for songwriting, I find them excellent from beginning to end; for example, I believe "Every Stranger's Eyes" and "The Tide Is Turning" are two masterpieces comparable to the more renowned productions of the '70s. Not to mention Amused to Death, which I consider a perfect album.
Pink Floyd without Waters "just another band"? I don't believe that Gilmour and Wright can be considered just another guitarist and another keyboardist, frankly. I think their unique sound and especially the chemistry they created with each other set them apart from the many. Of course, undeniably de gustibus.

Oh man, I tried... oh boy, did I try. At least since the late '90s. I like Pink Floyd but they're not my favorite band. I've given them all a shot up to this point, and this is the one I like the least. I hope I won't lose your respect :)

He's so used to it; I've been telling him for two years that this is driving me crazy :)

let's say it's a bit too monolithic... almost a wall, indeed. compared to this ummagumma, it grabs me much more, even the studio part.

@ Psycho imagine, my respect for you will always be there :D by the way, Ummagumma was the second album I bought from Pink Floyd after The Wall. I've always had a bit of a struggle with Ummagumma, in the sense that I liked it immensely right away (tracks like Set the Controls, A Saucerful, which were the first versions I listened to of those, or The Narrow Way and Sisyphus were really a fascinating trip), but then it kind of dipped for me over the years only to be reevaluated in the last few months. The discussion about The Wall is an old one between me and Hyhy; I must say that the period I prefer from Pink Floyd is from Atom to The Wall (many people prefer the early period, like Hyhy, I don't know about you Psycho), and among those albums, my favorites are probably the four concept albums, without taking anything away from Atom and Meddle, and also Obscured, which reach remarkable heights. The Wall has always emotionally engaged me a lot, also because of the story in which I’ve often identified myself in some way.

I am indeed convinced that each of us, in some way, at certain times in life, finds themselves needing to break through "walls" (which are different for each of us), and The Wall is, in my opinion, one of the best soundtracks for certain moments.

AH AH! hyhy :) I'm used to it, yes!

For me, though, Atom, Live at Pompei, and even Meddle are my favorite period of the Floyds.

I was referring to: "many people prefer the first period, like hyhy." For two or three albums, our favorite periods align.

that's true, I wasn't thinking about it hyhy

Lucky that I'm here :D

Damn, apart from the fact that it's not a Pink Floyd album,

It's definitely bad; at least from Division Bell there were some salvageable tracks, and I'm telling you this as someone who literally idolizes Pink Floyd.

But look, I must say that, as always, it comes down to personal taste (I repeat, for me it is definitely beautiful, just like The Division Bell was), what always makes me smile is the phrase "it's not a Pink Floyd album," because I would love to understand its meaning: Pink Floyd with Barrett, Pink Floyd with Barrett and Gilmour, Pink Floyd without Barrett, Pink Floyd without Wright, Pink Floyd without Waters: now, either all these formations are "Pink Floyd," or none of them is.

If it's rigor when the referee blows the whistle, it's Pink Floyd when Gilmour decides it's Pink Floyd. That said... is it good, is it bad? I like it a lot. And I always think that if this album had been made - IN THE SAME WAY - by a group that weren't Pink Floyd, it would hardly have received all the negative criticism it has. To be objective, this album is a truly beautiful experience (Floydian or not), and it doesn’t surprise me that the criticism (paradoxically but not too much) mostly comes from those who claim to "idolize" the Floyd, which in my opinion takes away a lot of objectivity from the judgment. We would have lived perfectly well without this album, I agree, but I just can’t find it UGLY, just as I can’t help but see at least a hint of bias in those who say so. I think "The Endless River" magnificently fulfills the task for which it was assembled (to put a "period" at the extraordinary career of the group) and that's enough for me.

The Pink Floyd are that band with Sir Roger Waters at the helm, objectively speaking. The rest of the production is a poorly executed attempt to replicate the glories of the golden age.

Ah. objectively speaking, then there's nothing left to do but agree with you.

I quote @[Zimmy]: I also can't find this album ugly... Anyway, we have to consider that it was released for "philological" purposes, it's a tribute to that great musician Rick has been. And come on, closing the discography with a piece (still classy) like Louder Than Words is much less bleak and paranoid than doing it with "High Hopes."

I absolutely agree with @[Kotatsu] on Louder Than Words, definitely a "laid-back" closing track (High Hopes is a fantastic piece, with one of the best solos on the album, but indeed rather "heavy" to remain the closing piece of their journey) and of course classy. It's nice that it's the only sung piece and arrives after all the instrumental flow of the album.

Reason belongs to donkeys. The objective fact is that the exponential growth of the lyrical and musical potential of the Floyd began and ended with Waters as the 'deus ex machina.' The petty squabbles are childish attitudes, dear Mad. The records released after 'The Final Cut' served solely to inflate the already well-filled wallets of the remaining 'three amigos,' but in terms of validity, they are forgettable.

Forgive me, but here it seems to me that the one continuing with "childish attitudes" is you, insisting on a vaguely specified "objectivity" of the issue that is nothing more than your opinion, worth as much as mine or anyone else's, which is zero. You tell me that the albums post "The Final Cut" (which I also like a lot) are invalid, I reply that I consider this and "The Division Bell" to be better than "The Final Cut." The point is that you are a great admirer of Waters, and (as Zimmy also says above) by labeling two albums like "The Division Bell" and "The Endless River" as "ugly, invalid, etc.," you come across as a bit biased, trying to pass off your simple opinions as "objective."

So, would the post-Waters production be on the same level as the previous one? Convince you.

I also consider myself a great admirer of Waters, but that doesn’t make me a detractor of the post-Waters era. Personally, I believe the post-Waters production is not on par with the previous one, but it is still excellent.

When I'm asked what my favorite period of Pink Floyd is, I reply from Meddle to The Wall, just to give you a sense of how much I love that era; but I also tell you that, for example, I'm finding myself listening to this and the previous one with the same enjoyment I have when I listen to the albums from the Waters era, and for me this is the only thing that matters when it comes to placing certain albums "on the same level" as others.

What a blast!!

A masterpiece, capperibelli.

Masterpiece Surfer, beautifully strong the Ep.

I really wouldn't know how to choose among the 4, for me they are all a 5.

Nice little disc. But, in my opinion, it pales in comparison to Surfer Rosa (especially) and Doolittle.

I really don't understand why many people keep saying that the third and fourth are inferior compared to the first two. They don't lack anything; this is bossa nova compared to the first two, in my opinion. In fact, in some ways, they have something that the first two don't have. For me, all four are a 5, without a doubt.

I didn't say it's bad, mind you, quite the contrary! It's a great album, but I don't know... I really like the first two a lot more, I love them, this one a bit less. To tell you the truth, the one I like the least is Bossanova. Personal taste, maybe :)

but in fact I was making a general statement Silas, I mean, especially here on deb, there’s an absurd and unfair undervaluation of these 2 albums, everyone basically says "yeah but the first 2 are great albums, the rest is nice but nothing special" when it's absolutely not true for me, of course tastes are tastes

True...going through the old reviews, I noticed that it’s not just my opinion :) Anyway...

I confirm, this is nice, Bossanova isn't bad either, but I like the first two and also Come on Pilgrim more ;)

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I have come to appreciate it a lot. However, you see it as more metal than I do, evidently. Right, Wedding Nails...

You’re right, but I actually wrote about the balance between what they had done up until the previous album and what they will do afterwards, where they will intensify the “metallic” aspects. Anyway, besides "wedding nails," I would mention "gravity eyelids" (where the blending of the two souls is evident), "blackest eyes," and "strip the soul." Throughout the album, I would say they seek and find the synthesis and evolution of their sound.

I had a friend who was literally crazy about these guys. I liked "Up the Downstair," "Metanoia," and "Voyage 34" quite a lot, even though they were veeeery derivative of certain second phase Pink Floyd. The rest I listened to, definitely not. Aseptic. Then, I don’t know, maybe I should listen to them again. Just a personal opinion, mind you.

mmm have you listened to their first phase, undoubtedly the one with the strongest Pink Floyd influences, it is indeed with this album, as I mentioned in the definition, that their second phase begins: with this, Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia (in my top 20 of my all-time favorite albums), Fear Of A Blank Planet, Nil Recurring they truly give their best. I would really recommend "In Absentia" because not only is it a fantastic album but it is also the key to understanding the direction of their second phase, it's a bit of a watershed, if you don’t like that either then it means you just don’t like them at all.

I have the CD bought second-hand when it was released, never listened to it, I even forgot I had it. I like the early works. I have to listen to this one; it should please me if, as you say, it's still connected to the early period.

In fact, what I was trying to make clear is that this is where Porcupine Tree enters their second phase, leaning more towards different music and sounds. Here in particular, they shift much more towards song structure compared to the past, while in the subsequent works, the influence of distorted rock outbursts, sometimes bordering on metal, increases significantly, enriching their psych/prog influences and resulting in two albums like Lightbulb Sun and especially their masterpiece for me, In Absentia.

I understand, then all I have left is to listen to it.

Beautiful album. I won't express my opinion on better/not better because I'm still stuck on "Fables of the Reconstruction" (very beautiful as well).

If you're going in chronological order, next up are life's rich pageant and document, start licking your lips :D

I was really thinking about the chronological order, but I don't know when :D Thanks for the previews mad.

A group among my absolute favorites; here engaged in a debut already featuring significant songs like "Catapult," which beautifully kicks off the side.

...usual mess...the B-side of the vinyl. One of the best rock bands of the last few decades, at least for me.

Beautiful, excellent from start to finish, and one of my all-time favorites by the American band.

Even more beautiful than I remembered. A heterogeneous album that showcases the strengths of a band capable of lasting a long time and doing so well.

very beautiful, bought it as soon as it was released. Patti Smith appears on the record... still today a great friend of Stipe

Five stars for me too; "Airportman," "Lotus," "At my most Beautiful," "Walk Unafraid," "Daysleeper," and especially "Diminished," one of the tracks by the guys from Athens that I absolutely prefer. A beautiful album, perhaps their last unforgettable page.

...and "Sad Professor," and "Hope" (how I love the latter, it gives me chills every time) etc. etc. truly precious and shining gems.

Do you know what I’m going to do as soon as possible, madcat? I’m going to listen to the whole album again!!!

Lately, I've been rediscovering R.E.M. albums that I listened to only partially and in a rush. They're amazing, but there is one of their flop albums.

True Johnny, it's "Around the Sun" of course, I've been listening to it again lately and it doesn't seem so bad (I initially trashed it), their class remains, but certainly compared to the others, the composition of the songs doesn't shine like usual and in a hypothetical ranking of all their albums, it would be at the bottom. In any case, it's still enjoyable. Reveal, Accelerate, and Collapse into Now (I particularly love this last one) are albums that are great for me.

Album bought in... 2001. Yes, I agree with you; however, it's sooo sad, I listen to it rarely because it makes me very gloomy!

I've also reevaluated it after realizing the quality of Blackstar, Nice Dream, and Bones... in addition to the good filler role of Bullet Proof and Sulk. The rest are masterpieces of pop-rock music.

I consider "Sulk" one of the best tracks on the album, but they are all at a very high level for me.

True, the first few times I listened to it, I said: "wow, but no one has noticed this one, it’s amazing!"

petition to abolish "for what it's worth," "in my opinion," "in my view." It happens to me sometimes too, but it’s not necessary to specify that what we’re saying is our thought unless we’re schizophrenic. Here, I finally found the place to say it. Peace.

You're right, in my opinion obviously.

Ahaha

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And this is a point in favor of the film. However, I would never give it a 5; actually, I was very disappointed, perhaps because when I watched it, I already had titles like "Pentothal," "Pompeo," and the various stories of Zanardi stamped in my mind.

In my opinion, the director and actors did a great job; they reinterpreted the complex atmospheres of Pazienza's comics, creating something personal and original. In this sense, Fiabeschi is emblematic, as he has a tiny, almost nonexistent space in the comics: the director used this to create a character from scratch that, at the same time, encapsulates a great deal of Paz's universe, paradoxically making him the most representative of his work in the film (along with Penthotal, which in the film becomes a fusion of Penthotal and Pompeo, two souls that the director manages to blend perfectly).

I appreciated the sincere tribute to Paz with this film, but the modifying and mixing ultimately resulted in a movie that didn’t resonate with me at all, what a shame. Yet, I'm not saying it’s a terrible film.

In fact, what I really enjoyed was this creative mixing while staying true to the spirit of the works that makes this film great. If it had just recreated, I don’t know, an episode of Zanardi (which it actually did, and in fact, that's the part of the film I like the least), the story of Pompeo and the story (?) of Penthotal would have seemed a bit cliché to me. In the end, there are two different languages, cinema and comics, and it's right that there are modifications and reworkings, obviously not distortions of the spirit of the work.

"In the end, they are two different languages, cinema and comics." This is obvious. What hasn't convinced me is the result. Perhaps if he had limited himself to recreating Pompeo in film, it would have been worse. Or it could have turned out to be something amazing, who knows :)

By the way, did you know that they did a theatrical adaptation of Pompeo? I haven't seen it though.

Damn, when did this project come about? A theatrical adaptation of Pompeo, ambitious to say the least, but undoubtedly interesting. I had no idea about it.

It was at least four years ago, if I remember correctly, I was expecting something like that instead. There are some perfect monologues in Pompeo for a transposition (see also Santamaria's monologue in Paz!, taken literally from a monologue in Pompeo).

But indeed it makes sense, it's doable. And it's interesting. But now go and dig up that adaptation :D

Who are you telling, I wanted to go there and instead I missed it :(

Well, at this point let's hope for a miracle, you never know. A little while ago I found on YouTube Black Rider by Wilson-Waits-Burroughs and I watched it there, with the actors singing the pieces written by Waits and performing. The spoken parts were in German and luckily I had studied a bit of it :D You never know mad ;)

The new film by Max Mazzotta (Fiabeschi in the film) titled "Fiabeschi torna a casa" has been released, and I can't wait to see it.

Great quote madcat; an excellent album for a great band.

If it had been a single album of 12 songs... My personal opinion. "Siamese Dream" is the best. The only one of the pumpkins that I really liked from start to finish. Production included. On that album, I can even tolerate Uncle Tibi's squeaking.

ah ah ah! Alright, for me it's an absolute masterpiece just as it is, I was talking with @[Lao Tze] a few days ago, as far as I'm concerned there was nothing they could take away, it's perfect this way. As for Corgan's voice, well, there too, I find it perfect for his music; someone, in a documentary about them, described it as a moment of angelic voice, and the next moment as a banshee’s voice :)

Siamese Dream is an absolutely great album, but in my opinion, this one definitely surpasses it.

@[madcat] well, at this point, make an effort and buy the deluxe edition with 5 CDs = 1 DVD. They’re not my favorite band, but I assure you that in the 3 extra CDs there’s a lot of good stuff, including an isolation by Joy Division!

My God, how badly I've written...

So, @[Psychopathia], would you recommend it to me? I have the double album bought years ago; how is the remastering? I'm intrigued by the fact that soon it will be releasing Machina and Machina II as a double album, just as it was originally conceived.

for me the quintuple version is worth it. there are things that not only wouldn’t look out of place on the album, but in my opinion would have fit even better. now you know what to ask Santa Claus.

Ah ah ah! So there are quite a few unreleased tracks as well? (I mean new songs, not just covers, alternate versions, demos, and all that stuff :D)

Aesthetically, I think it's stunning; I was drawn to the quadruple vinyl version.

but obviously there are "only" the 28 songs from the double album there

There are many songs, some covers and live tracks, as well as demos. But there are a lot of outtakes. Three CDs packed full. I won't comment on the sound because I don't understand it, but it sounds great. There's a book with lyrics and various ramblings, and a magnetic closure for the box. You can't fit everything on vinyl, and then you end up listening to it less because it's inconvenient. Go for the CD. The DVD, on the other hand, should contain a full concert, but I haven't seen it.

Sure, thanks Psycho!

I copy and paste Silas.. judgment on Corgan included..

Ehhhhh Trilogy is orgasmic (triple).

"Eliminator JR" damn!!

Cross the breeze!

In fact, Silas that final part of Trilogy with that incredibly hot Kim Gordon is mind-blowing. Awesome Eimination Jr.

And Total Trash?

Hyperstation is for me the pinnacle, it has such a surreal, suspended, indefinable atmosphere, and then the sprawl!

total trash very velvetundergroundian I've always felt it

"Hyperstation is for me the pinnacle" But am I the only fool who considers all of this part of a single 14-minute piece called "Trilogy"? :D

I’m crazy, huh, but the sung part of Total Trash, that melody, somehow distorts reminds me of Wilco’s Summerteeth. Boooh...

for me it's also one single piece (oh my god, eliminator jr is actually quite detached from the first 2) but the central moment is my favorite :D

On Elimination Jr., the break hits hard, but it doesn't matter; I still consider it part of Trilogy. Personally, that's "my favorite part." Of the whole album, I mean :)

Nice hat :D No, just kidding, it's nice. But you should have given it to Alexander this one :'D

hahahahah!!

When rock gains all the substance of "meaning" in a triple perspective: dialectical, conceptual, utopian. Epoch-making!

Well... of the sonic discography of the '90s, perhaps my favorite among favorites [alongside "Dirty" and the underrated "NYC Ghosts & Flowers"].

sorry, NYC is from 2000...but whatever, it's still an album that I believe is grossly underrated.

Well, the 2000s can still be considered part of the '90s, depending on when you start and end each decade :) you know that dirty has never really impressed me? Great attention to sound but they struggle a bit with songwriting compared to Daydream Nation, Evol, Washing Machine, Goo, but I should give it another listen.

Well, for me the decade is counted as "2000-2009," it seems obvious to me, here you go: "2000-01-02-03-04-05-06-07-08-09" that's ten :D The album? Wonderful.

for example, in the "500" of Mucchio, the first years of the decades are 61, 71, 81, 91, so in this case 1970, 1980, 1990, and 2000 are counted in the previous decade.

Well, whatever... Evol was something else, I really love Dirty. It might also be because I met them during the tour of that album, (many, to be honest, we got to know before the internet through Dirty, given the explosion of alternative rock in the early '90s..) so it's a sentimental thing, but damn I really like it!

I'll pick it up, I remember when they went to the tunnel, if I'm not mistaken around the same time the Nirvana went.

if I remember correctly it was "avanzi" where the SY went...the year before Tunnel...if I remember correctly. It might also be that I'm mistaken...

Get it back, yes! It deserves it! Tracks like "100%", "Swimsuit Issue", "Theresa's Sound World", "Shoot", "Youth VS Fascism".....damn, it deserves it!

oh yes, I think you’re right, there was something that didn’t add up, they played youth against fascism if I'm not mistaken

In fact, I remember that the sound captivated me, but the pieces themselves did not; you made me want to pick it up again.

Yes, it would fit perfectly, but as I've said before, I prefer "Badmotorfinger"... My top 5? 5) "Ten," 4) "Badmotorfinger," 3) "Temple Of The Dog," 2) "Above," 1) "Dirt."

In the end, it's always a matter of tastes :)

I really enjoyed Superunknown... but I also think that Badmotorfinger is a notch above. Anyway, it's the perfect opportunity to listen to them again after a long time...

let's see, I say (in no particular order) "Superunknown," "Vitalogy"; "Jar of flies/Sap"; "Nevermind"; "Congregation";

Great choices Mad, I don't know only "Congregation," but if you even place it before albums like "Dirt," "Alice in Chains," "Ten," "In Utero," etc., it means it deserves it... I’ll have to give it a listen...

Thank you Aquarius! Yes, Congregation is a fantastic album! Highly recommended! However, regarding the others you mentioned, keep in mind that In Utero is one of my absolute favorite albums. I chose Nevermind because it feels like it fits better in a top 5 of Grunge. Ten, as I have often written, has some fabulous tracks, but as a whole it doesn't fully satisfy me, not like Vitalogy, at least. The electric albums by Alice in Chains are great, but I often find them overwhelmingly heavy for my taste. I prefer the "acoustic" Alice in Chains from the mentioned album and the wonderful Unplugged.

I'll share my thoughts on Seattle (just randomly): "Ten," "Badmotorfinger," "Bleach," "Mudhoney," and "Above." "Superunknown" is a great album, but I prefer at least two other albums by Soundgarden.

Well, on "Jar" Alice reach frightening heights, "Nutshell" is spine-chilling... The "Unplugged" takes your breath away, but I can only speak well of "Alice in Chains" since they are my favorite band from the Seattle scene, but also overall... I agree with the rest of what you said, less on "Ten" but we had already "discussed" that :D...

I have Superfuzz Bigmuff by Mudhoney, and since they didn't drive me crazy, I didn't dig deeper. Bleach is a great album, but as you know, the best by Nirvana will come later for me. Above is also beautiful, just like Badmotorfinger (not at the level of Superunknown though, in my opinion). A great but little-known album I want to mention is "Fast stories.. From Kid coma" by Truly.

I should retrieve "Louder than Love" by Soundgarden.

This should be in any top 5 of the last 30 years of music. Louder than Love is a great album but very "teenage" (they were very young). However, Loud Love is stunning.

Sorry for the unnecessary nitpicking, but Congregation grunge? Leaving aside the fact that for me grunge is not a music genre (but let's not start that, or we’ll never finish...) the Afghan Whigs have only the record label in common with grunge.

On whether to classify grunge as a musical genre or not, I agree. Congregation grunge? Yes, in my opinion, it fits in there; there's punk, there's hard, there are reminiscences of the '70s, there’s psychedelia, there’s the attitude, and obviously much more (starting with soul, for example). However, the elements to place it in the "Grunge" area are there. That said, categorizations are often extremely limiting compared to what a band produces, absolutely.

Yes Mad, I totally agree with the last sentence till death, it's just that in wigs I feel a huge prevalence of soul over other genres and they weren't from Seattle! Well, never mind, you're talking to someone who believes that the best band from the grunge stew is the howling trees...

Never understood what was so exceptional about this band and, in general, about a movement entirely based on recycling old things. They draw heavily from the seventies. Nothing new. For heaven's sake, it's a decent rock album, a fair listen all in all, but nothing compared to the Masters. The only Live Album by Grand Funk Railroad already has all the grunge you need to know.

No no no no no no, everyone stop! @[hjhhjij] @[madcat] @[hornyBBW] @[Lao Tze] @[nes] @[aleradio]

Call the ones I forgot, please, I don't want to enjoy it alone!

thank you zanna.

Well, madcat and I thought we would end up summoning him by talking about Blur, and instead it's about Soundgarden, what a surprise.

@[hjhhjij] I mentioned you first. Then you say that I don't care about you...

I won Fantaman's autobiography "A Difficult Child," of course signed!

Zanna has mentioned a great group that I've started to appreciate and love recently. Gli Alberi Urlanti.. Buzz Factory could easily fit into a hypothetical top 5 of the aforementioned scene!

Thank you, Zanna! You're truly a great and real friend!

At this point, we need the tag #launchofthejerk :D

Much better than Blur, however, this must be duly emphasized.

In my opinion, Carcobein was copying the Lezzeppeli!

But the Lezzeppeli plagiarized like Zucchero, so Carcobein copied the Blues.

"Much better than Blur though" Ah-Ah, I was getting worried. #throwingforshit

"Much better than Blur though" ah, thank goodness, I was just thinking "Fantaman come back to you come back to you, we biliv in iu" #lanciodellostronzo

but Zucchero plagiarized Albano & Romina, so the Lezzeppili copied maicolgiacso #lanciodellostronzo

Burdél, I'm going to ejaculate in private for this comeback!
Thank you Fanta, you are the idol of us kids who grew up with the plagiarisms of gandfancreilrod!

Let me say it, I notice with some displeasure that the level here has further declined. It has now fallen into the hands of the usual Hgei, Zannabbì, Macdat, Nes. They seem to be a cross between four gossipy neighbors and a group of bored schoolkids, the kind of nerdy ones you know you’ll find in a place, the ones you think, “where else would they be?”

I saw the invitation on the homepage and I promptly arrived... Fantaaaameeeenn! Legend!!! The level is dropping, debaser is dying, Eros Ramazzotti is gay. Anyway... seriously... you young people can't understand a damn thing about grunge and '70s music... because you didn't live through it...

Well, I've been on the other side until now, but damn, I've thought about you every minute.

Have you already gotten upset? Have you stopped talking about the blur? God, what a drag...

Fantacoso, it's fine that I wanted to enjoy this thing, but this way it's premature ejaculation...

we need to commit ourselves more, otherwise we'll demotivate him

The Gran Fanc Railroad is Homer Simpson's favorite group... Not very reassuring for Fantaman.

#ipazziversiscamisciatidimarkfarner

Alright, it's understood.

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The "Grand Funk," however, is a great band...

Yes, but that's not the point.

That's not the point, it's true, the point is that the only LaivAlbu of GranFanRairoa already has all the grunge you need to know, let alone "just a great band."

Yes, I understood your reasoning, but when you wrote that "Not very reassuring for Fantaman," since they are Homer's favorite group, it seemed like you were saying they're a bit weak... At least that's how I perceived that sentence, but maybe I'm wrong... who knows :D

What reasoning?

But you're right, Mad, I just want to emphasize the fact that they are a great group, and that they have nothing to do with grunge, that's obvious!

We are just enjoying a human case; everything else doesn't exist. However, it's not right that he disappears like this; it reminds me of the user Pinc Floyd, who ended up in sad cameos before vanishing into oblivion.

He wanted a minute of fame perhaps...

No way, this is a legend!

Is it already a legend? Wow...

#launchofthecrap La collezione di SilasLang

Damn the souls of the gods, how many notifications I stumble upon. Thank you Z, though, from the bottom of my heart. Just, I'm sorry: if putting hj first means you care about them, putting me last....what can I....what should I deduce...fangs wh...z..why....m... :'(

We have the same name, it’s mirrored.

Ale, the last will come after, think about the bright side...

Anyway @[Aquarius27] try to read between the lines, damn it!

#launchofthecrap @[Aquarius27] among the comments of this review you will find the origins of the legend of Fantaman, the fake with identity issues, too difficult to understand who he is and no one has figured out who he actually is, not even he (hilarious) The Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd - Recensione di stellameringa

What a beautiful analogy, it really stands out :D Fantaman, the most amazing autosgamo ever, with plenty (if I'm not mistaken) of defense from Ribaldo. Good times.

But just leave me alone! You are clogging my email. I’ll explain for the umpteenth time, and let this be the last: I already explained that matter. It seems clear to me that anyone who thought I was chiccotana is just a poor naive. The reality is quite different; I have already admitted that I am not chiccotana and that I am not anyone's fake here. I have been following the site for a long time, as well as other webzines where I actively participate with widely appreciated content. The presence of chiccotana only motivated me to register here because he had a musical culture that you can’t even dream of, and I would have liked to interact with him. Unfortunately, due to your envy, you reserved an undignified treatment for chicco and, rightly so, he deemed it appropriate to step back and let you bask happily in your blissful ignorance. And I am especially referring to the user Hj, who for months pretended to appreciate stellameringa and her reviews, showering them with compliments, only to suddenly change his attitude as soon as he saw the tide was turning. Congratulations Hj, I see a bright future for you as a flip-flopping politician, because in the art of cowardly jumping on the winners' bandwagon, you are second to none. The same goes for Lao Tze, a user with commendable musical knowledge, but absolutely a disappointment from a human perspective. And with this, I’ll close. GOODBYE.

Look, naive, I don’t know. But damn, poor thing, damn, you really got us this time.

I'm sorry to have been a disappointment from a human perspective.

"He was someone with a musical culture that you couldn't even dream of."

Fantaman, there's a difference between reviews and mocking the human cases. I was even speaking well of Ribaldo's reviews. The reviews, exactly XD And anyway, no Fanty, we don’t dream of you, no nightmares for now.

"By my own admission, I have already confirmed that I am not chiccotana." Come on guys, he’s already confirmed it himself, what the hell are we still talking about? Let’s show a little respect, otherwise we’ll let him down from a human perspective.

@[aleradio] and maybe you hadn't even read this: "Fantaman: Exactly Kloo, exactly. Try reading my reviews and tell me if they're written this way." And as everyone knows, Fantaman has written dozens and dozens of reviews, but especially the grand finale: Fantaman: I'm so sorry. Especially I apologize to stellameringa and chiccotana. In reality, I was just pretending to be them, just for pure fun. In short, it was just a game. I wouldn't want them to feel offended because it was simple horseplay.
I could never be them, and the proof lies in the fact that if I were them, once discovered, I wouldn't have continued using this nickname, it's obvious, I don't think there's a need to elaborate further. So, all right, it was fun, but as they say, the game is beautiful only while it lasts. Sorry again."

In the evening, before going to bed, the children check that Fantaman is not under the bed.

I mean, Hj turncoat, Lao disappoints humanly and me? Not even a word about me? Why don't you love me Fantacoso, why???

Oh my god, then ZANNA=FANTAMAN

but what a fang... fanta renounces chicco like lao renounced matteo. he renounces him beyond the limits of human pity and decency. chiccodileonar...

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anyway

enough

come on

I was imitating you = Silaslang ahahahahahh Damn it Lao, always more disappointing.

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the inbox is filling up... I’m sick of this fucking game.

Fanta, don't leave, come back here.

Ahahahahah

Anyway, fanta chicco di leonar in the valley of popcorn, you’re spending more time defending chiccotrana than talking trash about the blur: lighten up, because you’re a drag...

Yet he had started off well with the Saungarde and the grang that are worth nothing since everything is already in the laivalbu of the granfanrairoa. He left us all speechless, he did, who would have expected it?

in my opinion darcsaidofdemù is an absolute masterpiece, I’m telling you for nothing to do with everything that has come after, especially nothing to do with dìp par..oh no, sorry, I turned the wrong page.

@G #G I think it's time to suggest a button that says "I WANT TO BE EJECTED IMMEDIATELY FROM THIS DISCUSSION." P.s. On Debaser, there are a lot of disappointments from a human perspective, less from an animal one.

oh no, I'm on the right page

O__O

#lanciodellostronzo attention! Don’t click on this page, Chiccofanta has moved here DeBaser: auténticati!

I don't know, I didn't understand why the link doesn't work, anyway it was my definition of "are you afraid of the dark."

it doesn't work because you linked it from your mydeb

La collezione di madcat

Thank goodness there are geenoo and madcat.

Ah, but he’s already left : (

ah ah what a mess.... but thank goodness you and hijiji are here to keep things running during these lean months, and for that we will be eternally grateful while we wait for fantamen, a smile from vic, some far-right ultras or dotty points... by the way, where the hell is bartle when you need him.

So, did you hear the rest in the end?

I listened to To be kind, Children of god, White light from the mouth of infinity, and Soundracks for the blind. All excellent albums, but for me, at least for now, none reach the heights of The seer. Maybe I'll catch up on some others soon (love of life is on the list).

Well, in any case, your opinion is absolutely respectable even if I personally would choose another one if I had to pick my favorite (Soundtracks maybe). Have you already listened to all their best excluding the debut "Filth" (not sure how much you might like it though)? Anyway, "Love of Life" is another great album, in the vein of White Light. I'm really happy that you like the Swans mad :)

Actually, I'm avoiding Filth because of what I've read in various reviews out there; let's just say I don't think it's for me :) However, I might give it a listen, but I'll save it for last, if anything. The Seer really blew me away, though; when an album impresses me that much, it's hard for other albums in the band's discography to take its place. At most, I can find others that match it, but never surpass it.