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Well, but hc is also a definition of style... generally, we talk about punk for the English bands of the late 70s and hc for the American ones of the early 80s (who played faster and more violently)... weren't the Germs involved with hc? Of course, they invented it! :-) maybe unwittingly, but the fact remains that all those DIY attitude bands that emerged in the early 80s (the Dischord groups of McKaye, the Epitaph of the BR, and the SST of Gregg Ginn, etc...) made music that, nuances aside, necessarily referred to the "late-punk" experiences of the Germs, Circle Jerks, Black Flag before Rollins, the very early Angry Samoans... in short, one thing is the language, another is the attitude... also because independent labels didn't start with hc, but had been around for at least a few years, since the days of the new wave... then there’s the mood discussion: the Germs were desperate, Darby Crash didn’t proclaim like Rotten and Strummers, but cried, was tormented... in my opinion, the Germs, a watershed group, were more on that side than this, they were already hardcore...

that's it GERMS: Something Better Change is the album I listened to by DOA...a really great record...from 1980...the year before your Germs in Los Angeles (along with the Circle Jerks) were playing punk-rock twice as fast, and without anthems, without choruses to sing along to, just bursts of bad words: hardcore was born...

Beautiful Dax! What a pleasure to find you again! How’s it going in that… um… that little town next to Brescia where you live? I can’t remember the name, I think it ends with -edolo, but I don’t want to say anything stupid… Let’s just say that I’ve taken a two-year sabbatical for various reasons, including the simple fact that time passes, we change, we finish something, and we start something else… until we return to the starting point :-) If you want, we can continue this discussion privately, because we’re really off-topic, and sure, Deb is a liberal site, but I don’t want to tarnish Ikon’s page any further…

Wow! I see that the De-Hardcore Nation is in great shape! ;-) As for the Front, I think the first immortal EP (United Blood, evocative title, 10 "songs" in 6 minutes of album) is more than enough: out-of-tune instruments, pure fury, practically a well-etched graffiti of the hc street civilization of the 80s. Roger Miret (unmistakable voice) is the only reason for this band to exist: serious, furious, loyal. The AF believed in their music. They are one of the few historic hc bands (along with Bad Religion, completely opposite to the Front geographically, musically, politically, and culturally) that are still around: partly because they found their calling in a hc-thrash-metal hybrid that pleases/displeases everyone and has endured for 25 years, and partly because their music is like daily bread (like a fan following their beloved team every Sunday).

These are nice. However, I remember them more as epigones of 70s punk than true hardcore. They sounded like NY Dolls, Pistols, Clash to the nth degree. Very choral, extroverted: the famous "punk77." Hardcore is another thing... but keep in mind that I've only listened to the early albums of this Canadian band, so I don’t know them well… Moreover, hardcore outside the States arrived a bit later compared to the end of the 70s… Great page, guys… A shoutout to Vortex, good to see you again. :-)

Here it is: of the 40 music reviews I've published, 2 concern albums from the 60s, 10 from the 70s, 25 from the 80s, 3 from the 90s, and just one from the 2000s...let's focus on the comparison between the 80s and 90s, that is, 25 reviews against 3 (25, if I remember correctly, is something like more than 8 times 3): now, logically, my friend Piero should have rated the albums from the 80s higher, right? And yet, strangely, there are 112 votes for the 80s and 154 for the 90s...could it be that I prefer the 80s and Pierre prefers the 90s? eh alessioiride?

Since I have a bit of time to spare today, I'm doing a little investigation... I'll be right there, okay?

Is a Sirah from Sicily okay? It has 13.5 degrees and hints of honey...

thank you dear, all good?

well, but the Joseph K were much darker... the MS, in comparison, are cheerful: if anything, without straying from Scotland, they could be likened to Orange Juice (a hundred times more mediocre than the MS)... Ramona, I don’t make new records because I’m a nostalgic reactionary and I like to dust off old things... regarding the Bastro, I’m not interested in reviewing them even though, now that I think about it, I wouldn’t want to risk having Alessioiride review them: it would be a nightmare to wake up in the morning and read a review that starts off saying, "I love Berlin and that's why I'm crazy about Bastro"... got it, Ramona?