pretazzo

as above

beautiful

I'll read it tomorrow, I'm sleepy now.

Of the great Kiarostami, I prefer "And Life Goes On," "Where Is My Friend's House," and "Through the Olive Trees"... this film, on the other hand, I find a bit heavy (like the reviews)..."if a director, with very few means, has created a film that is a memorable masterpiece, that disturbs and makes one reflect, are the supposed masterpieces of directors who, while talented, have had full creative freedom, unlimited budget, and universal acclaim inferior or superior?" <<< the budget doesn't matter, neither positively nor negatively (Bicycle Thieves is a masterpiece just like 2001: A Space Odyssey).

.....a record that "preaches" the same concepts it preached 20 years ago.... (there's an extra semicolon in my previous comment)

So, metallarobionico, let’s do it this way: download the album and listen to it carefully... you will realize for yourself that the whole story about affinities/divergences with comrade Togliatti is just a smokescreen, a provocation, or simply a starting point... after which the album speaks of other things (it addresses universal themes from an existential, sociological, psychological point of view, etc.; politics is relevant only insofar as it pertains to anything in this world). The only explicit reference to the (party) politics is in the first song, which however states "fedeli alla linea/ la linea non c’è"; and it is blatantly ironic/sarcastic towards the obtuseness of the so-called aligned ones (especially in the era of “thaw”). Now, the fact that you loved this album as long as Ferretti declared himself a communist (like you), while now that Ferretti has crossed over to the other side your opinion on the same album has changed a bit; it makes me suspicious... and it should, in principle, also arouse suspicion in your conscience... yes, because I really struggle to understand what logic lies behind no longer appreciating an artwork simply because one has been "disappointed" by the person who conceived and created it... now I wonder: since when has Ferretti become Christian, has "Affinità/Divergenze" changed? Since when has Ferretti declared he voted for the center-right, have songs like Morire, Curami, Io sto bene, Emilia Paranoica, Trafitto become unlistenable? And mind you: I’m not just talking about music, aesthetics, "art for art's sake"... I’m referring also and above all to the message (political, ideological, ethical, whatever it is) conveyed by these songs... you see, I have a strong suspicion that you (like many other "betrayed" fans: betrayed by what?? damn, I will never tire of repeating it: we must understand the artist, not the other way around! Let’s stop demanding that artists be our banners! It’s like when a fan of a certain band that has never used synthesizers declares eternal love for that band, only to then declare himself "disappointed" or "betrayed" at the first line of synth he hears) appreciated Ferretti's music (and lyrics) in the past only because Ferretti in the past voted for the party you have always voted for... otherwise, there would be no reason to no longer want to listen to/appreciate/love an album that "preaches" the same concepts it preached 20 years ago... the man Ferretti has changed, but the work remains intact, with its original meanings... metallarobionico, you need to learn to distinguish life from art, people from their creations... and this doesn’t mean neglecting the content, focusing only on form, concentrating only on the music and ignoring the lyrics, demanding a separation between entertainment and politics, ignoring “what lies behind the conception of a work”, no! I’m not saying that... but you yourself have stated that music cannot be separated from attitude, lyrics, meanings: okay, I fully agree. But then what reason is there for no longer wanting to know about the CCCP, given that the attitude, the lyrics, the meanings of their albums are the same as always?

So, metallarobionico, let's do this: download the album and listen to it carefully... you'll realize for yourself that the story about affinities/divergences with comrade Togliatti is just a distraction, a provocation, or simply a starting point... after which, the album speaks of other things (it addresses universal themes from an existential, sociological, psychological perspective, etc... politics is involved to the extent that it is involved in anything in this world). The only explicit reference to politics (of parties) is the first song, which, however, states “faithful to the line/the line does not exist” and is obviously ironic/sarcastic regarding the obtuseness of so-called aligned individuals (especially in the era of “thaw”). Now, the fact that you loved this album while Ferretti declared himself a communist (like you), but now that Ferretti has crossed over to the other side, your opinion on the same album has changed, makes me a bit suspicious... and it should, in theory, also make your conscience suspicious... yes, because I really struggle to understand the logic behind not appreciating a work of art because you were “disappointed” by the one who conceived and realized it... now I wonder: has “Affinità/Divergenze” changed since Ferretti became a Christian? Have songs like Morire, Curami, Io sto bene, Emilia Paranoica, Trafitto become unlistenable since Ferretti declared he voted for the center-right? And mind you: I’m not just talking about music, aesthetics, “art for art’s sake”... I’m referring also and especially to the message (political, ideological, ethical, whatever it is) conveyed by these songs... you see, I have a strong suspicion that you (like many other “betrayed” fans: but betrayed by what?? damn it, I will never tire of repeating it: it is we who must understand the artist, not the other way around! Let’s stop demanding that artists be our banners! It’s like when a fan of a certain band that has never used synthesizers declares eternal love for that band, only to later declare themselves “disappointed” or “betrayed” at the first synth line they hear...) appreciated Ferretti’s music (and lyrics) in the past only because Ferretti used to vote for the party you have always voted for... otherwise, there would be no reason to no longer want to listen to/appreciate/love an album that “preaches” the same concepts it preached 20 years ago... the man Ferretti has changed, but the work remains intact, with its original meanings... metallarobionico, you need to learn to distinguish between life and art, people and their creations... and this does not mean neglecting the content, only focusing on the form, concentrating solely on the music and ignoring the lyrics, demanding a separation between entertainment and politics, ignoring “what is behind the conception of a work,” no! I’m not saying that... but you said yourself that music cannot be separated from attitude, from lyrics, from meanings: okay, I fully agree. But then what reason is there to no longer want to know about CCCP, given that the attitude, lyrics, and meanings of their albums are the same as always?

So, metallarobionico, let's do this: download the album and listen to it carefully... you'll realize for yourself that the story about affinities/divergences with comrade Togliatti is just a distraction, a provocation, or simply a starting point... after which, the album speaks of other things (it addresses universal themes from an existential, sociological, psychological perspective, etc... politics is involved to the extent that it is involved in anything in this world). The only explicit reference to politics (of parties) is the first song, which, however, states “faithful to the line/the line does not exist” and is obviously ironic/sarcastic regarding the obtuseness of so-called aligned individuals (especially in the era of “thaw”). Now, the fact that you loved this album while Ferretti declared himself a communist (like you), but now that Ferretti has crossed over to the other side, your opinion on the same album has changed, makes me a bit suspicious... and it should, in theory, also make your conscience suspicious... yes, because I really struggle to understand the logic behind not appreciating a work of art because you were “disappointed” by the one who conceived and realized it... now I wonder: has “Affinità/Divergenze” changed since Ferretti became a Christian? Have songs like Morire, Curami, Io sto bene, Emilia Paranoica, Trafitto become unlistenable since Ferretti declared he voted for the center-right? And mind you: I’m not just talking about music, aesthetics, “art for art’s sake”... I’m referring also and especially to the message (political, ideological, ethical, whatever it is) conveyed by these songs... you see, I have a strong suspicion that you (like many other “betrayed” fans: but betrayed by what?? damn it, I will never tire of repeating it: it is we who must understand the artist, not the other way around! Let’s stop demanding that artists be our banners! It’s like when a fan of a certain band that has never used synthesizers declares eternal love for that band, only to later declare themselves “disappointed” or “betrayed” at the first synth line they hear...) appreciated Ferretti’s music (and lyrics) in the past only because Ferretti used to vote for the party you have always voted for... otherwise, there would be no reason to no longer want to listen to/appreciate/love an album that “preaches” the same concepts it preached 20 years ago... the man Ferretti has changed, but the work remains intact, with its original meanings... metallarobionico, you need to learn to distinguish between life and art, people and their creations... and this does not mean neglecting the content, only focusing on the form, concentrating solely on the music and ignoring the lyrics, demanding a separation between entertainment and politics, ignoring “what is behind the conception of a work,” no! I’m not saying that... but you said yourself that music cannot be separated from attitude, from lyrics, from meanings: okay, I fully agree. But then what reason is there to no longer want to know about CCCP, given that the attitude, lyrics, and meanings of their albums are the same as always?

The pit is a large

I wanted to say one thing: I feel pity for all those miserable souls who no longer listen to this cccp album since Ferretti shifted to the right (the web is full of these characters; here on DeBaser, instead, I see that, fortunately, we still have a vague idea of the concept of Art: I'm glad about it).