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Great example, your unkle69. In fact, I don't consider the Stones as great as the general public does, precisely because of their not-so-great originality (although they are undoubtedly important nonetheless).

Maybe you’re missing the fact that Bloc Party and Kasabian will probably do drugs too. But the point isn’t the drugs; it’s the quality of the records. Does every band you don't know have to be on drugs? Come on. And even if they were, what the hell does that have to do with the value of the music? (Actually, maybe it does, but in a positive way, because as I’ve told you before, drugs have often helped artists.) Anyway, Daft, it’s laughable that you talk about “well-made indie” and don’t know Yo La Tengo. Really ridiculous :-DDDDDDDDDDDDD

unkle69, at the end, I give a negative connotation to the term "scarto" (in this case), a piece discarded precisely because it is inferior to the material that has been published in the past or that will be published. Of course, there can be good or excellent discards (in general), but clichés and discards are not the same thing. Discard is one thing, cliché is another. Granted that valid discards can exist (but as I already mentioned, I was referring to the negative and more natural meaning of the term), cliché is the stereotype. And I seriously doubt that there can be a positive connotation for music composed of stereotypes and common places.

sickman_84 instead yes. Because while I could never compose a "I Do Not Want This" due to obvious technical incompetence, certain silly things found on Ghosts I could (me and anyone else with AT LEAST a minimum of melodic imagination) easily create. Just place your hand on a couple of bare, raw chords, add a few hints of slowed-down arpeggios (tainted by background noise, in true NIN style), and there you go, the cliché is ready to use. I said it takes 5 minutes, but in reality, it could take even less to conceive it.

But how could I do it (since I'm literally incapable of really playing), anyone could do it, I think. I mean, it doesn't take a genius to do certain stuff, that's what I believe. Then the point is this: if you admit that a record is soaked in stereotypes and scraps, it can't be a record of good music, it's one or the other. For sure, when it comes to saying whether I like a record or not, I don't care how it's packaged, otherwise a Vasco Rossi record would also be great (obviously that's a paradox). I love NIN up to The Fragile, but after that, Trent died for me; he hasn’t got it right since.

Kasabian, Bloc Party, porcaputtana Daft you're even shittier than I thought. And you call that crap indie rock? You idiot, have you ever heard of Built to Spill, Yo La Tengo, Pixies, Breeders, Pavement? (Hey I'm citing the most famous ones, mind you). You listen to commercial crap from frustrated kids, and you talk about indie rock.

You’re completely wrong, you don’t understand a damn thing about music, you’re ignorant, arrogant, presumptuous, and an idiot all at once. Should I continue? Do you want to understand that you have nothing interesting to say here, you’re a horrendous concentration of cultural stereotypes? How can you talk about music without knowing it? How?

let there be rock but it's not enough to do something alternative to create something good. The 36 pieces of Ghosts, while having more interesting ideas compared to the last two albums, feel like leftovers from the first listen. Sure, the ambient pieces from Vol 1 are fairly nice, but the solo piano instrumentals are quite laughable; I mean, a track like Ghost 12, or even Ghost 13, I could come up with in 5 minutes at my keyboard at home. Sometimes maybe we confuse alternative with trivial. Ghost 16 is brainless electronic music, and the pieces in general (even the more tolerable ones, like the industrial folk of Ghost 14) all have the same structure; the trick has been revealed for years now, it's pure cliché. Only these more abstract and minimalist pieces (but linear and predictable) seem like pure gold, but trust me: Trent was recording the first thing that came to his mind, pure electronic wanking for its own sake. Trent knows that whatever he composes will gain great approval from at least some fans, and he relishes in that.

STAY STAY STAY WITH US

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