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for Zion: "believe" based on what?

Thank you Frasco for the clarifications. It had already seemed clear that His expertise in the matter was, unfortunately, limited. Best regards.

No acrimony, Odradek. Just clarifications and misunderstandings (too many), fundamentally. baibai.

However, even three consecutive (very dense) interventions to clarify, detail, specify, prop up, and point the finger. It seems that at last we are playing with our cards on the table, without any more terminology that is so "cultured" from a connoisseur of music. Even if you don’t think you are, it seemed like you were expressing yourself as an intellectual. Your first "outburst" was read here, from where I write, by two other people ("educated") who confirmed this "impression." In the last three posts, however, I hit a nerve, and probably in your pride, you express yourself in an overly direct and clear way, without frills. You've thrown out some nice ones, as far as I read in terms of assumptions, keys to interpretation, simplistic analyses; regarding what I wrote, I mean. Fortunately, you do not have the presumption that you implicitly accuse me of... As for the instrumental use and the intention behind the "utilization" of the word "sensibility" (along with your unpleasant double interpretation, again with an ironic aftertaste), it confirms to me on one hand that you have not grasped, nor retained (assuming you truly lived it), a thing of the revolutionary spirit of '77 (and of '68) and, consequently, that you are indeed going in one direction and I in another. I take pleasure, if anything, in having achieved the possibility of having read something of yours that was simple, clear, and probably more spontaneous and less "rationalizing." No hard feelings, I greet you and happy listening.

For Odradek: it’s evident that we speak two different languages: what does it mean to touch on issues that resonate in the so-called "personal"? It's useless and far too convenient, I believe, to make light of the complexity of certain pseudo-arguments when there is fundamentally nothing behind them. Or to try to evade the "intellectual" attitude: I (unfortunately) believe I am one and I try to simplify it, if possible; and here it is. What the "spectators" grasp, at the end of these useless verbal pirouettes, perhaps, as it seems, is the question mark of the word "revolution." Are we talking about that? And to conclude: there is nothing at all "psychological" in what you are alluding to. There is only sensitivity in knowing how to grasp things. Anyway...

Yes! Is it? Or if you prefer: Jim Morrison, is the post ironic?

For bluecamel: yes, I agree. It's just that we should spread the word more... who will know? Bye

Odradek, I found your writing convoluted, intellectualistic (and that's not a compliment) and inconclusive. In the end, I asked myself: what have I read? What was the point? Perhaps I'm getting older and starting to lose my grasp on some things, including yours. In '77 (concluding a season, like in '68) there was simply a revolution in the way (not impossible) to consider (and influence) things and reality. A revolution, as I said, happens and, probably out of "realism," you've hidden it from yourself, once you became "adult and aware," even in the way you notice that a leaf detaches from the tree in autumn and you ponder what that means. Forget Mao, liberal ideas, capital, and the resulting slavery.

Were it not for the judgment of the stars, the comment might seem ironic..... or is it?

Dear Renzo, I must say that your spirit as an authentic revolutionary captivates me, fascinates me, and convinces me. A little less so the fact that there is still room for real revolutions that help the people (or the musicians) who need it most. As a (former) revolutionary from '77, I have seen, sometimes up close and other times less so, possible revolutions and impossible ones. You will agree that as long as there are levels of stupidity and ignorance that are so alarmingly high, it is much better to hum the tunes of your dear Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. However, it is right to hope that revolutions can lead to necessary changes, and it is essential to believe in that. After all, this is how the "sacred monsters" (some you have mentioned as well) have changed our way of perceiving music and have given us moments of supreme beauty and joy, perhaps happiness. You know this, and you should also know that with the ears (and the brain) both you and I believe we possess, it is not easy to live amid so much mediocrity of sounds and "old" systems of thought, even when applied to music. By igniting a revolution at home and within ourselves, however, it is possible to initiate a chain reaction that, who knows, in 50 or 100 years could allow our great-great-grandchildren to live better and perhaps make them happier. :) P.S.: After the pentatonic scale, start considering the hexatonic. It’s a bit more intricate but much more fascinating and less "obvious." Regards.