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No no, you didn't follow the discussion at all. I gathered all the punk stereotypes simply because I wanted to advance "my thought" on the fact that by not dividing groups precisely but throwing them into one big current, we fall into the usual clichés. The festival of clichés was intentional, precisely to separate Zeke and H. Du and Minutemen from the whole mass of crap that circulates in traditional punk. I want to emphasize, however, that the Dead Kennedys fully fit into all the negative clichés of punk; they managed to take every typical flaw of the movement and make it their own; they deserve a Nobel Prize for disgust. Then okay, better them than the whole bunch of California crap they generated, but this thing can also be seen this way: if it weren't for them, we would have a lot less crap. I respect those who create new things, but if you create crap, you’re a piece of crap in my opinion.

You reviewed the LIBERTINES... why the hell should I read your review? Especially with a 4/5... are you sure you’re okay? Sure, throwing around meaningless crap is very punk, but get a grip, alright? Saying you can’t even be bothered to explain your ideas is pretty punk, and it’s even more punk to tell everyone to screw off outright, but come on, get it together.

Ah here it is... the other ridiculous cliché has arrived, the one that tells you that if you shoot bullshit you’re frustrated. It’s too exhausting to explain your points of view; we’re the frustrated, thick-headed fascists, and you, on the other hand, understand, right? Well, that’s logical. But do you even realize how stupid you are? The metalhead is usually a jerk, the punk enthusiast is just an imbecile, and I’ve never found an exception.

Ah, you don’t think in compartments? Someone says that Zen Arcade isn’t that great, and you reply “Obtuse Fascist,” and then you have the nerve to claim you don’t think in compartments? If you say so... Besides, “obtuse” doesn’t mean anything because Zen Arcade doesn’t seem like an album to analyze and break down multi-track style due to the rivers of notes coming from 20 instruments at once, and “fascist” doesn’t mean anything either since we were talking about music... oh sorry, it’s true, I was confusing punk with music, a moment of weakness, I won’t do it again.

PUNKETTONE A: "Hey, this concert is awesome! Look how badly these guys are playing! You can't hear a damn thing! WOW!" PUNKETTONE B: "Damn, and to think I was about to go to the Sunn O)) live show where the sound is so powerful it makes people vomit in the first three rows... luckily I came here to the Punk concert, you can't hear a thing and it's beautiful, it's so punk not to be able to distinguish the drums from the bass, wow!" PUNKETTONE A AND PUNKETTONE B IN UNISON: "Long live Punk... BOYCOTT NESTLÈ!"

Better a metalhead son than a punk kid, the metalhead son evolves at 21 and becomes vintage metal, while the punk kid will just get dumber and dumber until he reaches his ultimate life goal: being a failure who drinks beer while leaning back on his belly watching some stupid show on TV, but without a family... because all this is very punk.

The talk about the bread is a consequence; if someone makes a magnificent album in three months (look at Patton with the X-Ecutioners), I bow even more. However, it's rare that everything comes out perfect with just a few touches; usually, it takes a lot of refinement. It's not necessary for someone to give their all to please me; I don’t count the days they’ve worked on it. Yet, I’ve rarely heard a masterpiece created under the rules of "true scrappy punk." Anyway, my rejection of this genre is mostly caused by the tide of idiots that inhabit it. I understand you old punkers, but trust me, those born under the new punk wave are a bunch of astonishing idiots. Take rocknrollsuicide, who calls anyone who doesn't like punk a fascist; they’re all cookie-cutter types, and they get hyped up spouting nonsense like BOIKOTTA, or FANCULO TUTTO... then at 30, they’ll realize that the ones who end up getting screwed are them, doing shitty jobs for a shitty salary only to return to a shithole... but all of this will sound like “very punk” in their little heads.

See Ajeje, look at the fitting example of what I was telling you, look here "rocknrollsuicide" who calls me FASCIST because I think punk sucks. And am I wrong to say that punk ruins the minds of kids by inserting millions of bullshit into their troubled heads? Bah. RNRsuicide, the Dead Kennedys are nobody, they haven't done shit that's good, they haven't personalized anything, they're just one of those many damn punk bands, that's it.

Well, this is a bit of a strange discussion since it touches on the fence of a group that really cares about sound, or so I've heard from those who have played with them. And the Du are certainly not the worst example provided by Punk, but since you don’t want to separate melepunk from perepunk, calculating everything as "fruttapunk," then you're telling me that punk is the least committed and polished genre, right? You see? By not separating melepunk from perepunk, you lead me to say that all fruttapunk sucks just because 90% of the types of fruttapunk are terrible (if not 95%). Which I don’t find in other genres; prog metal is a great genre tainted by Dream Theater, rock is a great genre tainted by Bruce Springsteen, while punk is a shit genre with a few good bands. There’s a difference, and a significant one, indeed.

Yes, I'm all about technique, but I don't mean classical technique, like "if you play it with your fingers it's good, otherwise not." I mean Technical Side in every sense of the word. For me, Sonic Youth is a technically valid band; they work on their sound, they sweat over it, and they care about the details. I couldn't care less if the sound comes from their fingers or from a pedal because in the end, it comes from your head anyway. I mean the commitment and the desire to create a work of art, something that you put yourself into. Therefore, the Velvet Underground, whom you rightly cited as a non-technical band in the classical sense of the term, are in my view a highly technical group that cared about what they did, unlike Husker Du, who (I believe) got drunk like pigs, stumbled into the studio, and that was it. I'd tell the Du, "Good first take, my ass; it sounds like crap, do it again. And do it right; the drums don't sound right, your distortion doesn't tear my ear apart, it sounds like a radio signal coming in poorly, not a guitar distortion... go work, you idiot!" What annoys me is the fact that they don't put in the effort; if you do something half-assed, you end up with a half-assed product, there's no mistaking that. And again, I don't expect solos played by GT Turbo fingers; I couldn't care less about HOW you produce the sound, but it MUST BE A NICE SOUND, otherwise it’s crap, at least for me.