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Better a metalhead son than a punk kid, the metalhead son evolves at 21 and becomes vintage metal, while the punk kid will just get dumber and dumber until he reaches his ultimate life goal: being a failure who drinks beer while leaning back on his belly watching some stupid show on TV, but without a family... because all this is very punk.

The talk about the bread is a consequence; if someone makes a magnificent album in three months (look at Patton with the X-Ecutioners), I bow even more. However, it's rare that everything comes out perfect with just a few touches; usually, it takes a lot of refinement. It's not necessary for someone to give their all to please me; I don’t count the days they’ve worked on it. Yet, I’ve rarely heard a masterpiece created under the rules of "true scrappy punk." Anyway, my rejection of this genre is mostly caused by the tide of idiots that inhabit it. I understand you old punkers, but trust me, those born under the new punk wave are a bunch of astonishing idiots. Take rocknrollsuicide, who calls anyone who doesn't like punk a fascist; they’re all cookie-cutter types, and they get hyped up spouting nonsense like BOIKOTTA, or FANCULO TUTTO... then at 30, they’ll realize that the ones who end up getting screwed are them, doing shitty jobs for a shitty salary only to return to a shithole... but all of this will sound like “very punk” in their little heads.

See Ajeje, look at the fitting example of what I was telling you, look here "rocknrollsuicide" who calls me FASCIST because I think punk sucks. And am I wrong to say that punk ruins the minds of kids by inserting millions of bullshit into their troubled heads? Bah. RNRsuicide, the Dead Kennedys are nobody, they haven't done shit that's good, they haven't personalized anything, they're just one of those many damn punk bands, that's it.

Well, this is a bit of a strange discussion since it touches on the fence of a group that really cares about sound, or so I've heard from those who have played with them. And the Du are certainly not the worst example provided by Punk, but since you don’t want to separate melepunk from perepunk, calculating everything as "fruttapunk," then you're telling me that punk is the least committed and polished genre, right? You see? By not separating melepunk from perepunk, you lead me to say that all fruttapunk sucks just because 90% of the types of fruttapunk are terrible (if not 95%). Which I don’t find in other genres; prog metal is a great genre tainted by Dream Theater, rock is a great genre tainted by Bruce Springsteen, while punk is a shit genre with a few good bands. There’s a difference, and a significant one, indeed.

Yes, I'm all about technique, but I don't mean classical technique, like "if you play it with your fingers it's good, otherwise not." I mean Technical Side in every sense of the word. For me, Sonic Youth is a technically valid band; they work on their sound, they sweat over it, and they care about the details. I couldn't care less if the sound comes from their fingers or from a pedal because in the end, it comes from your head anyway. I mean the commitment and the desire to create a work of art, something that you put yourself into. Therefore, the Velvet Underground, whom you rightly cited as a non-technical band in the classical sense of the term, are in my view a highly technical group that cared about what they did, unlike Husker Du, who (I believe) got drunk like pigs, stumbled into the studio, and that was it. I'd tell the Du, "Good first take, my ass; it sounds like crap, do it again. And do it right; the drums don't sound right, your distortion doesn't tear my ear apart, it sounds like a radio signal coming in poorly, not a guitar distortion... go work, you idiot!" What annoys me is the fact that they don't put in the effort; if you do something half-assed, you end up with a half-assed product, there's no mistaking that. And again, I don't expect solos played by GT Turbo fingers; I couldn't care less about HOW you produce the sound, but it MUST BE A NICE SOUND, otherwise it’s crap, at least for me.

But in fact, I take the Minuteman out of the herd, I don't know the Gun Club. That's why I was saying I'm in favor of subproto-genres. Fine, the Minuteman because of their punk-experimental (?) but fuck all the stereotyped punk. If we talk in "broad genres," you never really get to a point; usually, by taking submovements, you tend to catalog better.

It's quite irritating to see how everyone says "metal is right-wing! = GROSS" when there are 6-7 bands that say something political, while no one talks about the crap that punk blasts into the ears of young people, nonsense like BOYKOTTA or ANARKYA, and all the rest of the shit that spins in the heads of those four idiots with spikes and mohawks. There are millions of them, and they spew millions of BULLSHIT, but there are so many that you become numb to it, and you don’t even point them out as fools anymore. But damn, don’t come and tell me they are artists or musicians because I see them as just four idiots who have neither the intelligence nor the desire to achieve anything in life.

It is equally undeniable that when it comes to Fantasia, they are at zero, just as it is equally undeniable that their "let's do things (sound quality and recording) haphazardly because it’s so punk" feels more like "let's do things haphazardly, we'll stress out and work less, and we’ll mask it under this crap that feels so punk." Moreover, they are all shamelessly politically extreme and keep shooting bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit after bullshit bullshit after bullshit after bullshit about "how the world turns," and this really annoys me and gets on my nerves because four failed, drugged-up assholes who spend their evenings making chords in a garage don’t understand a damn thing about the world and the political situation; I’d rather listen to the mental journeys and delusions of metal, at least they know how to shoot imaginative bullshit.

In other words, it works like this: In the 70s, music was reaching peaks of perfection that not all ordinary mortals could touch, so high schoolers with no talent gave birth to the "genre-revenge," the "gnègnègnnè-musical," or punk, to be able to get on stage and say, "we can play too... we can play too... cicca cicca... pappappero." Since they weren't capable of making music, they became capable of making punk. Then it’s undeniable that the more "human & down-to-earth" attitude brings sympathy toward these people, but don’t come to tell me they are musicians because that's not true, nor artists, just "funny idiots." That's it.

But I also think the comparison can be made perfectly well; in fact, I'm the first to say that punk, compared to the rest, is a silly genre with little substance, adolescent and without artistic purpose, a worthwhile outlet for musicians who are eager to express themselves; too bad they don't know how to do it through music. (I might be exaggerating a bit, but since this is a site that is full of punkers, it’s nice to stir the pot. Anyway, punk is the first step of musical evolution, in the sense that it sits beneath all the others.)