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Alright, find me a bad Psychedelic Suite in Black Sabbath. There isn't one. In the Wizards, there is. Find me electronics in Sabbath: there isn't any. In the Wizards, there is. Then: Meshuggah & Sepultura? You're hilarious. You're googling quickly to read pairings and throwing them out there randomly; explain to us how a Nothing or a Catch 33 relates to Sepultura, but please avoid exaggerating. Also, excuse me, but if for the Wizards you listen to Sabbath, then why the hell do you listen to Manson? Aren't NIN - Ministry - Godflesh etc. enough for you? Come on, take a trip to the record store and come back when you've done your homework.

Come on! Orange bits are super rare in orange sodas. You’re talking like a Sicilian, and I’d throw in a “thank you very much,” because if I say “you can find excellent cheese at the supermarket,” it's a “thank you very much” where I live, but not in the rest of the world. Think global, Enea, get into the New Economy, set up a retirement plan, buy an I-mod cell phone, damn it Enea: it’s all around you.

Oh, Infernal, you change the subject with every post; you don't seem very logical, do you? What does "it's shit" mean? We were talking about seminalness and innovation, a topic that you brought up. There's no such thing as beautiful or ugly, gold or crap; there's only innovative and derivative. The names I mentioned have all been innovative, and if you don't think they are, then you're ignorant. There is no "for me" or "in my opinion" in a discussion like this; there are only release dates and the genres proposed. And the fact that Fear Factory came out before Manson is equally out of context; the first FF album = 1991, and you asked for names of people who innovated in the '90s. Re-read yourself every now and then; it seems like you lose the thread of the discussion.

No no, the Oransoda always has the deposit of little orange pieces at the bottom. Don't be like Scaruffi, who starts a logically coherent argument on false premises, so that the argument, although coherent as an argument, doesn't correspond to reality. All of this to tell you more gently: "Hey, don't hit me with bullshit about the Oransoda, you jerk."

Go tell that metal is dead to Meshuggah, Nile, Yob, Sunn O))), Sean Malone, and Jus Oborne.

In the last 7-8 years, what does Marilyn Manson have to do with it? First you say "the 90s" and then you say from '98 onwards, make up your mind, oh. Manson released decent albums in the mid-90s, and during that time there were plenty of more innovative names: Gordian Knot, Aghora, Cynic, Neurosis, Tool, Electric Wizard, Earth, Converge, Fear Factory, koRn, Dillinger Escape Plan, Morbid Angel, Meshuggah, Mayhem, etcetera etcetera etcetera. There are as many as you want. But the main point of the nonsense you spew is: Manson... Metal? Why don't you just retire?

I, Pineapple, Pistachio, and Peach. In a cone, please.

Yes, but you are still choosing a block; you love the second one, you like the first one. On one hand, you are taking a side anyway, and it's quite normal given the huge difference between Ummagumma and Animals.

Wow, how wicked you are: you hold so much wickedness, mate. You're just way too infernal, oh!

Well Enea, yours is an interesting question, but the comparison/metaphor with orange soda doesn’t hold up; I’d say we’re more along the lines of Kinder Chocolate. You see, Kinder Chocolate has always been the king. Many have tried to dethrone it, from Bueno to Happy Hippo, not to mention Snickers and Tronky. They brought out three types of Fiesta, of which only one has survived, yet it hasn’t dented Kinder Chocolate's reign. Mars has become lighter, Raider has become Twix... everyone has given it a shot, but Kinder Chocolate was still the king of its kind. Then one day, Kinder decided to change the kid on the package, tossing away the 60s shirt with the gay stripe and the ugly face for a more modern one with a t-shirt and a crew cut. The new followers of Kinder have discovered it in this new guise and have branded the previous one as old and outdated, but the fact remains that now Kinder is standardized and in direct competition with Happy Hippo Genesis and Fetta Al Crimson or Dire Twix Straits, because there are tons of melodic snacks... but for psychedelic Kinders, there was only him, the shirt and the ugly face with a gay hairstyle. So, even though I can understand that you prefer the shirt and crew cut, Enea, the fact remains that for you Kinder is one of the greatest but still “one of,” while for me it was THE one. In the end, Kinder lost many fans that considered it a god, but for every fan that saw it as a god, it gained three that considered it a monster. It might have become a monster, but it was no longer a god. Too bad for it; it should have stuck with Shirt, Ugly Face, and Gay Hairstyle. Forget about Fanta; I actually prefer L'Oransoda.