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I'll tell you the whole little story then, since you're curious. I first had about ten Kraftwerk cassettes, and then with the advent of the CD burner I had CD-Rs made from vinyl, by the same person, that is, a DJ from my city. I discovered the mystery when I decided to buy the original Neu! album from '72. I bought the Neu! after reading a review here, and in the review their previous involvement with Kraftwerk wasn’t mentioned, so I thought they were just another Krautrock band. When it arrived, as soon as Hallogallo started I recognized it and exclaimed, "What the hell, these are Kraftwerk!". I went online and read the story of the schism, and the difference between Gianni & Pinotto of Kraftwerk and Dinger & Rother of Neu!, then I asked my knowledgeable friend for more details and he sent me some interviews where D&R explained the reasons behind the split. I believe it all happened roughly a year ago.

Aeneas, in summary, I'll sum it all up for you: This album is crap, but it's completely different from the rest of Kraft's albums. Even Zion gave it a 2, and yet he goes crazy for them. It's pointless for me to bring out the other albums I've given a 5. I can't stand them, the albums have their own reasons for existing, but THIS, no. It's crap; it's not like just because they later made some nice pop albums this one becomes good, it remains crap.

The dancey and fizzy electronic music is all theirs; since '75 they've churned out quite a bit that's a decade ahead. The thing is, "electronic" is a big word that encompasses a thousand things and a thousand genres; it's not all dancey and fizzy. I fully agree that a lot of stuff comes from Kraftwerk, but an Aphex Twin or any other "heavier" electronic artist comes from different places. To take an example, it definitely comes much more from a Neu! than from Radioactivity. The Kraft are a huge band, but they don't make the stuff I enjoy; I have a lot of respect for them, but I listen to other things. Name: puntiniCAZpuntini | Date: 23/9/2005 | Vote: | Rating for the Album: /////// Note the "The Kraft are a huge band, but they don't make the stuff I enjoy; I have a lot of respect for them, but I listen to other things." ////// Also, you still haven’t grasped the cassette thing; first of all, it was a CASSETTE, not a VHS, and now you explain to me how the hell you can know who made the music just by listening. If someone gives it to you and says, "this is the side-project of this guy," as a side-project, you can't expect the same kind of stuff. The Magnus are completely different from dEUS, but Tom Barman is always involved, and if you don’t have official references, how can you figure it out? You simply don’t get it because you’re too used to turning on the computer and going online to search for information. Back then, you had to settle for what was written on the cassettes, and if they wrote Kraftwerk, for you they were Kraftwerk.

I prefer the first three to Vari Autobahn, etc. But there's a bit of over-exaggeration with Kraftwerk; they're among the pioneers, but it's not like they did everything by themselves. Their electronic albums are beautiful, but I can't listen to them even now; I prefer the perfected derivations. Above all, I prefer Neu! by a mile. This is quite enjoyable to listen to, but it’s not exactly groundbreaking, considering that back then, music like this was coming out by the truckload.
Name: puntiniCAZpuntini | Date: 23/9/2005 | Rating: 4 | Album Rating: 3 //////// Note the "Beautiful Their Electronic Albums" and that there's better out there.

Bullshit: read all the discussions about Kraftwerk on this site carefully, and you will see that you have built a wall of bullshit. In fact, let me find them for you.

You, at the very least, have never even seen a double cassette... blessed youth...

For me, they were the same thing, since the tapes always had Kraftwerk written on them along with the release date in marker. You're too young to understand; not too long ago, there weren't millions of websites explaining in Italian the relationship between Dinger & Rother and Gianni & Pinotto. Word of mouth worked as it did. The discovery happened because I bought Neu! 1, and when I put it in the player, I said to myself, "Damn, I already have this."

Aeneas, I can also tell you in chat that as a sport I punch little old ladies outside the post office to rob them of their pension... which then, Nur Fluessighe Reinigungsmittel, means "Only Liquid Detergents." Learn to distinguish bullshit from nonsense, nonsense from true intent, and true intent from what someone thinks.

But of course you're going to see Kraftwerk, what the hell kind of talk is this? The fact that Neu! were light years ahead doesn't mean that Kraftwerk's live shows suck. "They get on my nerves" means "they get on my nerves," it doesn't mean "they are a group of inept." Even Ronaldo gets on my nerves, quite a bit actually, but that doesn't mean he can't dribble.

No no, every time you take examples that don't fit and completely distort the meaning: I haven't discovered a thing, I thought that Neu! & Kraftwerk were the same thing, so I liked Neu! and I liked Kraftwerk because I believed they were the same. Then I found out that one was Gianni & Pinotto, and the other Dinger & Rother, but I didn't discover a band or an album; I already knew the albums, I just discovered they weren't the same people. Let me give you a tangible example: Richie Hawtin. Richie Hawtin under his 90,000 nicknames also makes some crap, but he can't get on my nerves because under Plastikman and F.U.S.E. he makes great records. Yes, he also goes to dance clubs playing half-commercial House, but he remains the one who makes great records. If one day I found out that Hawtin actually pays his grandma to make records under Plastikman and F.U.S.E., then he would get on my nerves, and his grandma would be the world leader of Techno. But since his grandma is doing something else and not making Techno records, for me, Hawtin can do whatever he wants, and I’ll still like him as long as between one crap and another, he pulls out great records from Plastikman and F.U.S.E. (which, just to be clear, is still him alone). This is an example that fits, not your transformations that have nothing to do with it.