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"You've picked the wrong person to have Punk Vs the Rest of the World with, basically." First of all, you’ve inserted yourself into a discussion that’s been going on for 3 years (with breaks of even a year), so you can’t possibly know a thing about why I talk to him the way I do. And above all, I don’t give a damn about talking about punk vs. the rest of the world, since it happens to be the only musical genre I couldn’t care less about. As usual, it’s him who comes here throwing around accusations of ignorance left and right, nitpicking useless details. Soon enough, he’ll bring up the old story of when he was in Washington with safety pins in his eyebrows, listening to straight edge stuff but smoking and fucking, and a thousand other bullshit stories that I already know by heart. I’m not mad at you, Franci; I was just informing you that - in here - I always know perfectly well who I'm calling an idiot and who I'm calling a great person. Not because I'm god, but simply because I’ve been around for 6 years (even a few months more than the registration date), and I’ve had plenty of time to form my opinions. And to wrap it up: to me, knowing a ton about punk is a con.

And then this is a review of an avant-garde Jazz group, and it's about 1978. It was obvious to mention punk because the musicians themselves mention it in the title, and I followed suit. I didn't write yet another review of the Dead Kennedys (who don’t make me shit, but they don’t excite me either, just to avoid you telling me the name of the drummer's aunt) saying "what crap," but I wrote about the Area saying "how beautiful," peppering it with nonsense for reasons I don’t quite recall that connected with the rest of the homepage that day. You're the one who wants to convince me of something, not the other way around. And this bullshit "In theory, the Wire are good, the Buzzcocks are not," keep it to yourself, I didn’t write that. And regarding the Wire, if I really had to pick a favorite, it would be Pink Flag, not 154. I have all their albums, but I even bought Pink Flag. A roommate of mine had the complete original discography of the Buzzcocks (except for that EP you mentioned, of which I was unaware), I've listened to it six million times, and I think it’s crap.

<< And how do you know that I'm ignorant about music in general? >> Your comments, and obviously your listening habits. Also, the fact that you focus so much on who came out a month before in the years, in that "wonderful '76 where everything began." I've never seen you on a Jazz review or any of its ten thousand derivations, I've never seen you on an electronic review or any of its ten thousand derivations, I've never seen you on a metal review or any of its ten thousand derivations, I've never seen you on a rap review or any of its ten thousand derivations, I've never seen you on a classical review or any of its ten thousand derivations, I've never seen you on a review of psychedelia or avant-garde or any of its ten thousand derivations. I've always seen you calling ignorant those who don't know that the Buzzcocks released an EP in '76, but you, stepping away from punk, post-punk, hc, post-hc, new wave or any of their ten thousand derivations, have a black hole. Like now, you insist with: << talking about things you don't know at all. >> I don't need to know the name of the first bassist of Rancid to say that I think they suck; it's enough for me to have heard their records. And I never said that I think every punk derivation sucks, I only think that the "purely genre" stuff, or however you want to call it, is awful. I don't understand why you're so sure that if someone doesn't like punk, it means they've never listened to it. I've probably listened to at least 300 punk records (some well, some casually) and many of them disgust me. I love Zen Arcade, but Nevermind The Bollocks is garbage. You're the one who's sick; I like everything except punk, you don't like anything except punk. So don't come to preach to me with your know-it-all attitude, because the last idiot who can talk about music here is you.

I didn't know the Buzzcocks' era. As for the rest, I repeat: no. You can say whatever you want, but you're too ignorant about music in general to understand what I’m saying. For you, "having broad views" means moving among four or five subgenres of rock n roll, and you're convinced you're talking about who knows what.

And then, if you really want to be nitpicky, it’s actually the Buzzcocks who copy from Wire, since they debuted several months later. But still, no, they are not similar at all. A Buzzcocks record has a sound (sound, not notes or anything else, just sound) that is poor, meager, and skinny. A Wire record is recorded six or seven million times better, and that’s no small feat, for me.

Well, many Post-Punk groups wouldn’t even have existed without the Pistols or the Buzzcocks. Not the ones you mentioned, since, in the case of Wire, they formed even before the Sex Pistols. Post-Punk before punk, because the critics of the time immediately realized that, although it was neither standard rock nor progressive rock, it certainly wasn’t punk. The first two albums by Wire, which you evidently don’t know, are absolutely similar to the tracks by the Buzzcocks and the stylistic elements that you "condemn." No.

"The prog is much, much more self-referential than punk (just listen to post-punk bands like Wire or the Pop Group)." Ok, but I wasn't talking about Post Punk. There’s a big difference between the music of Wire and that of Buzzcocks, and not just because one is crap and the other is chocolate; they are really different (like The Clash with the Sex Pistols). "I've known for years that you don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about; I absolutely do not need to reiterate that concept." Groar.

I'll ask you the same question: And what other sensible deduction can come from what you wrote (you, above)?

Wow, so many assumptions. I didn't write that, or maybe we all have a guilty conscience as human beings? You didn't say you were referring to me, and I didn't say I thought that. We're at that point.

Yes, it's true, I forgot about all the reviews of House, Jazz, and World Music that you wrote. Sorry.