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Well, you don't give a damn! Maybe other people would rather starve or leave where they live than sell themselves to a politician who certainly won't solve their problems. Am I wrong? Probably yes.

@Supersoul, starting from the fact that it doesn't take much to be sharper than me, I want to say that I watched your video. By the way, it's taken from a great movie. Watching it, I asked myself a question: why does the politician do this? Why does he build consensus this way? Because people don't think based on ideas, but according to the utility they derive from them. If the Italian citizen were honest, he wouldn't accept that money, and then the politician would be led to build his electorate in completely different ways (and he would probably realize that in other places they vote for you if you solve the problems). You could challenge me with something: look, those who reduce themselves like that often do it because they are poor. Fair observation. My response: there is something called dignity. In the video you posted, the first to lose it are those who go to the nice supplier of money bought on the ballot.

"Are you ready to take the King Crimson and marry them with the Beatles, with Pierluigi da Palestrina, with Mozart, with Henry Cow, with Hatfield and The North and Dün?" Just a couple of trivial names, but if you mix such heavy material you'll have a good reason.

@Supersoul, you should know that all of this doesn't please me. It doesn't please me in principle, especially because I don't have a high regard for politics and for "that dirty thing we stubbornly call democracy" (I quote Gaber). I don't think I'm aligned with the mess we have now, to which anything goes, if I say that Italians deserve nothing more than this. One cannot demand morality and political altruism when one is the first to think in the opposite way; I’m sorry, but I despise the "preach well and practice badly." I'm convinced that you criticize it too. Deserve something better? I have no reason to doubt it, but then I don't understand the reason for this attack, since I'm as angry as you are. @Vortex, they have a distorted perception. Of a category of workers that is extremely profitable when it is not. Maybe it's better to talk about music, about an artist (Keith Jarrett) whom I like very much even though I will never have the pleasure of seeing him (200 euros for a concert is madness and where would I find that? Unfortunately, my salary as a librarian isn’t much). Are many jazz enthusiasts obtuse? It could be, but it also applies to many other enthusiasts of different genres, who can't see beyond their own noses.

@CPT, should I be angry? Come on. "Isn't it rather that the average Italian is more similar to Silvietto than they want to admit?", I'm the first one to think so. In fact, I am convinced that the Italians are the problem of this country, not those who govern us. In the end, politicians are the mirror of the nation they are called to govern. It's just that, as my father rightly says, no one is stupid enough to confess their own faults. So it becomes easier to say that politicians are distant from the people, living in a separate world, and are the only category of bad. However, politicians are the protagonists of their own misdeeds because those who vote for them, if they were in their place, would do exactly the same. The exaltation of Italian cleverness? One could downplay it and say that Italians follow the cunning of Hegel's reason or the techniques of Machiavelli. They probably aren’t that philosophical.

@CPT, jokingly one could say that the masses are amorphous and think in the wrong terms. But that would be another discussion. Unfortunately, it must be said that it is not easy to try to empathize with certain categories. It is easier to reason about "big systems," ideologies, and take a moralistic stance. Conversely, those who try to understand the reasons behind such reasoning in groups of people who, in the "big systems," should be reasoning in the opposite way become populists (not to mention worse). Am I a populist? Probably yes, however when I realized, by watching Travaglio's "Promemoria," that people were complaining because he cited the Tangentopoli trials, then I understand that perhaps the populism of those who shoot against the masses and the Italian citizen, offering, paradoxically and unwittingly, an alibi to the political class is not so wrong after all. The problem is not in the categories we assign to a reasoning or in the ways we express it: it lies in the ability to grasp its message. Often, people are not capable.

We are convinced that CPT's reasoning is so flawed (I’m addressing Vortex) and so rhetorical (here at Supersoul)? Personally, I have more than one doubt. Just look at the discomfort that an individual can cause, which is met with indifference and then turns into contempt the moment one becomes a victim of it [I’ll give a silly example: those who try to commit suicide by throwing themselves onto the subway tracks in Milan. Every time it happens and ATM issues a statement, I always hear the same reactions. Reaction 1: “Is it on the green line? Thankfully, I need to go to Porta Romana (N.B. It's on the yellow line and Porta Romana is the first station that came to mind; I could have easily mentioned another).” Reaction 2 (driven by the fact that sometimes they don’t say the line is halted because someone attempted to kill themselves): “There he is. The usual idiot who threw himself onto the tracks.” Reaction 3: “Damn it! Now I’m going to be late getting home because of that idiot.”] Naturally, the reactions are definitely more vulgar, but the essence is as mentioned. Unfortunately, people are not inclined to solidarity, so as long as everything is fine and one moves forward, the problems only show in the reflection that one endures. The moment one has to pay the price personally, then they want to be in the spotlight. This is called protagonism, the same that the categories of people mentioned by CPT often display, making it seem like they are wealthier than they are (perhaps that's also why they have to make ends meet at the end of the month). Unfortunately, in this country, economic proportions are always skewed; if I think about what idea Italians have of a carabiniere's salary... Evil is not easily categorized but is particularly widespread.

180 euros for any artist is madness, as far as I'm concerned. Are these the same people who tell the usual unemployed march to go to hell? It’s simply the disgust of a society and a "civilization" that must always showcase its unbridled opulence and economic power, only to forget about all those it leaves to their fate in order to self-celebrate. We're always stuck here. The shame is strong but not glaring, so we move forward in the worst possible way.

Surely this album is of very high quality, but in general, I don't mind Carmen Consoli (the rating applies to the original edition).

I miss these. Just one question: do the Crimsonian influences refer to the first period (that is, the first 2 albums) or the subsequent period?