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Come on, if you want you can replace Sharapova with Kournikova, maybe you'll understand better.

What I’m doing is another copy and paste for Walter, maybe he’ll read and understand: <<It’s like saying: the goal of an athlete is not to win, it’s to become famous; therefore Sharapova is a great athlete, while Jonathan Edwards is an idiot>>

Attention Pixelid (and Walter), no one here is saying that a group like Slint or Faust isn't seeking notoriety, I just said that achieving commercial success is NOT their goal. Do you understand the difference on your own or do I have to get Jim to explain it to you?

Walter, are you kidding me or are you for real? Your record is stuck on the chorus "you alternates who only look for famous bands...". Do you even read what others say or do you just follow the flow of your own brain? Do I need to explain it to you again? Alright, sorry but I'm going to copy and paste: <<The only objective thing is that there is NO relationship between sales success and musical value. None, either positively or negatively. One can be good and sell (Pink Floyd), can be insignificant and sell (Britney Spears), can be good and not sell (Slint), can be insignificant and not sell (my cousin). If you want, I can explain it to you one more time.>> There you go. I'll be back in a bit and rewrite it for you, don’t worry.

... (the Enter key slipped away) anyway, Pixelid here does not really make a distinction between light music and classical music, also because it is not an accurate distinction. Light music does not encompass the entire realm of "pop-rock" music in a broad sense, and on the other hand, in its historical development, classical music has also had lighter expressions. What has come down to us, of course, is mostly of a higher level.

Still on the issue of goals. <<Look at Josi for example, he knows not 50 groups like I do, but 500, and yet I am currently at the center of discussions while he comes to comment on me, you understand? THEY HAVEN'T REALIZED THAT I'M CHARMING THEM WITH THE SAME CARD THAT SUCCESSFUL ARTISTS USE TOWARD THE PUBLIC>> Exactly. Here the goal is to have fun (preferably talking about music), so I'm more than happy to comment to you, because with human cases, the laughs never lack. If, on the other hand, your goal is to become the users' fool, you definitely can't be called a failure, quite the opposite! :D Pixel, I was replying to Walter, sorry. Anyway

The Decalogue of Walterstarman expands. (11) <<Regarding the point "sales success = musical value," you can't deny that until the '80s it was like that.>> Ah ah! Go tell that - for instance - to the Faust. (12) <<If the strange bands you want to shove down our throats didn’t make it to the charts in those three decades, it means they had FAILED!>> But failed at what? Look, your goal is not their goal. Commercial success is not the objective for everyone who makes music. In relation to their goal, people like the Faust (indeed) or Fugazi (to go back to the '80s) have not failed at all. They failed according to YOUR vision (which you’re trying to impose on everyone), not according to theirs (and - since we’re talking about them, oh look - their vision seems a tad more important than yours). It's like saying: the goal of an athlete is not to win, it’s to become famous; therefore, Sharapova is a great athlete, while Jonathan Edwards is a jerk. // Another thing (as a result): do you want to get it out of your head that according to "us" (since you think in categories) only the unknowns are good? That’s not the case at all (see Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Rolling Stones, etc.)! The only objective thing is that there is NO relationship between sales success and musical value. None, neither positive nor negative. One can be good and sell (Pink Floyd), can be insignificant and sell (Britney Spears), can be good and not sell (Slint), can be insignificant and not sell (my cousin). If you want, I can explain it to you for the umpteenth time.

Ih ih, hi then, enjoy your reading of TV Sorrisi&Canzoni, and remember: watch out for the bandanas of the new artists, we wouldn't want them to become rock icons. Oh, and if you want, I can send you the latest from the “Gruppo dei Quattro,” Schnittke, Part, Dvorak, and Autechre: the four idiots of rock. Carlo Verdone speaks very highly of them, but it seems that after Ravel left the group, the quality of their music improved: they don’t sell shit anymore. Cheers.

Well, if you can't counter my arguments, I'll leave you in peace in your personal world of human case, at number 1.

You finally searched on Google! Good job!