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ginopino, look, at the festival they really go for people like him. the scum.

There are no words to express the insignificance of neffa. Or maybe there’s one word: it starts with "CA," ends with "CA," rhymes with "lacca," and it’s NOT "casacca."

smooth and silky

I almost forgot.

I think quite a few people have already conquered your, um, behind if you listen to stuff like that...

look, we’re not talking about economics, about supply & demand. we’re talking about art: the more people try, the more likely it is that something good will come out of it.

The discussion doesn’t close because what you call minimizing, others call making it essential, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but rather can lead to different solutions. Quantity in art is not always synonymous with quality. Furthermore, punk, unlike other genres, cannot be approached solely from a technical standpoint; one must also consider the impact it has had on music listeners (and therefore future creators) because it has significantly broadened the base of individuals involved with music, bringing about both a vulgarization on one hand and fresh energies on the other.

In my opinion, despite the clear boundaries created for convenience by music critics (especially Italian ones, due to obvious ignorance), the artistic flow over time is much more homogeneous and constant. I mentioned those two bands, very technical and in their own way "epic" - which I actually like a lot - precisely because they are far from punk, but if there hadn't been, I don’t know, Discharge, maybe grind would never have gained traction with all that followed. Punk also changed listening habits; it popularized "extreme" forms, especially hardcore, and made them more accessible to educated musicians who might have dismissed them in favor of more convoluted and less direct forms of expression. To say that The Stooges and MC5 closed the punk discourse is like saying that Blue Cheer closed the stoner discourse. A statement that may make sense, but is necessarily limited in the face of the immense discographic production. Not all bands are innovative, nor do they have to be, and while every genre has had its prime movers, one cannot dismiss the entire genre simply because other bands have "added little." Is rap over after The Last Poets? Yet everything was already there: voices, percussion, anger, and improbable hairstyles.

Well, man, you’re too harsh in your statements. If you consider punk from '78 to now unworthy, it means you have a clear idea of what it is and the influence it’s had. Who knows, for instance, if Mastodon would sound the way they do today if it weren't for punk, or Cephalic Carnage? I mention two bands with (also) progressive influences precisely because once I would have said “progressive stuff sucks.” But as time goes by and after many listens, certainties waver, thank God, and we move from easy, sweeping judgments of an inquisition to more fruitful openings.

Can one say? In me, Dylan stimulates the production of fecal matter.