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Great Giorgio! hehehehe...

Well, nitrors, thanks for the nice melodies... if you take away the pleasant melodies, what do Coldplay have left? And it's obvious that Coldplay and their producers know how to do their job... even working on it for 2 years, they would definitely come up with catchy choruses, even at the cost of torturing Chris Martin... I actually like Pop, it seems that if you don't like Coldplay, it's definitely a matter of rejecting a genre; but who said that Pop always has to be so predictable?

I vote Suicide too... Zion already knows that we disagree on this ; ) ... anyway, great album.

Predictable melodies, rhetorical chord progressions, a voice that fails to change interpretation even once, pure cliché. They've improved as musicians, the tracks are more mature, there are a few more ideas in structuring them, but the essence remains the same as always. A terribly boring album.

But come on, do you really think I have style issues?? Please, I bet you’re not the only one who knows rock around here..; ) mine is obviously a purely qualitative distinction, or should I start listing everything I listen to?? You're framing this as a matter of "styles" and thus of "close-mindedness," when it's always been on different coordinates, at least from my point of view...

hahah..: )) and where would you have understood that I listen to little music? I don’t have this very clear .. we’re still not there: if I talk about "solos, vocalizations," etc., it’s because it’s the only thing worth mentioning when discussing the band in question, and it may be as abstract as you want, but at least it focuses on describing the style of the band, which you never talk about, systematically evading the discussion. Obviously, nothing has been refuted to me at all. What is it, have you read all the posts on my review of DT? I doubt it.. and even looking, you find nothing but a series of useless responses aimed at glorifying DT without any real refutation, historical context, analysis of harmonies, arrangements, the band's interpretation, nothing at all. More or less the same thing you’re doing.. ; )

The reference to Pink Floyd is off-key; aside from the fact that "wish you were here" certainly isn't among the best things to quote from Floyd, the point in question is that Floyd completely decontextualize the classical guitar riff you’re referring to… it’s not very difficult, just listen; and that’s exactly what Dream Theater do NOT do, as their blend of Prog and Metal remains clearly tied to the clichés of the original genres. We probably have a slightly different concept of “difficult music”… I certainly don’t consider Another Day or Through Her Eyes or The Spirit Carries On to be such… ;) Besides that, even considering the various ten-minute technical solos, if Dream Theater are difficult, I can only imagine how you would define bands like Slint or Tortoise, a tad more daring and deconstructive… I won’t even comment on the bit about Be Bop, it means that you’ve evidently understood little of my point of view. Bye.

No, Stormino, we really don't agree; the whole "seven notes" discussion that has been heard and rehashed is totally outdated: with seven notes, the combinations of rhythms and melodies are practically, or rather, without practically, infinite. Otherwise, there would never have been any evolution, which is clearly unsustainable. And it’s obviously useless to bring up the usual old chestnut about the overused differences between "those who plagiarize" and "those who take inspiration from others"; these are trivialities that I have already surpassed in my discourse by at least 1000 words. In other words, you are evading the answer; I explained to you what in Dream Theater cannot possibly be considered "influence," but rather banal imitations hidden under solos, counter-rhythms, and totally useless vocalizations, fluff for its own sake. There is nothing, as I already stated, that the DT have innovated, and one of the proofs, coincidentally, is that there is nothing they have influenced. Everything you said that pertains to the topic is: "starting from the totally different sound due to different recording techniques," as if that were a merit of the band... hehehe, come on... :-))

In short, Zion, usually you and I get along perfectly :-) ..I was just listening to Suicide (self-titled album). Another story, another universe, another everything.. do you understand what I mean? No prejudice against electronics, but if a band makes pop songs, they make pop songs; if another band creates one of the most absurd, extreme, modern albums ever invented.. well, you can definitely feel the difference.. Also, Kraftwerk are not Depeche Mode, let’s be clear, they’ve made history as well; but out of their extensive discography, probably not everything is that exceptional... and not on the same level, let’s say Suicide, you see... ; )

Explain it to me, then, where the innovators would be...