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Wrong suggester, high water to the max.

Always bearing in mind that the drummer, even though he has innovated, still comes from a black Jazz background.

Ah, it's true Socrates, then I also had another discussion: the most innovative (which doesn't mean better, you insist on making assessments, but I’m talking about innovations or "inventions") representatives of each “more or less classic” instrument of those specific genres (meaning that I’m not including the Moog and subsequent ones) apart from the bass are Black. Or Socrates, do you think there have been White guitarists, double bassists, pianists, drummers, trumpet players who have innovated 20th-century music (still within the genres defined in the review) more than their Black counterparts? There is just one White drummer who stands out (besides Benson, whom I already mentioned, but he was only the first to use the double bass drum, not like it was anything extraordinary), tell me which one, and maybe explain why... oh, just trying to spark a conversation, you know.

Elvis is from the 50s, you're completely missing the point: The point is that the first, but I mean the very first, the very very first… were Black, period. It's not my intention to give individual credit to this or that person, it's not my intention to limit it to just one person, but simply to say that those sounds are of Black origin, that's all. You've listed all names from the 50s, but the 50s is already a bit late for the discussion I'm having, and I don't mean to say "my argument is right, yours isn't," I just say "I'm making this argument... what about you?"

In the OTHER instruments, the first ones are all black; I ate another one in the end.

It's not about American music in general but the creation of specific genres (and I've already repeated this six times, we're talking about who created them; it's obvious that there are white jazz musicians), Dr. John's records are from the '50s and '60s if I'm not mistaken; he arrived late by just half a century and a bit, nothing special, right? What does it mean 50-70 years? I'd say he's among the founders, oh, definitely a pioneer. We’re not talking about responsibility for disasters but about mismanagement of disasters that happened due to bad luck, specific phrases said during press conferences broadcasted worldwide. Anyway, just to bring the discussion back to music: Dr. John is a white mosquito in the sea of a genre that is black to the core; for every Dr. John, there are 148,000 black musicians who are kicking butt, not that Doc is inept—quite the opposite—but in a discussion focused on the great creators and/or innovators and/or major figures of Jazz, with all due respect, he ranks 97th. The only white musician who truly made a mark in that genre is Jaco; there are indeed great white artists (Colajuta, Bill Evans, that unknown guy from the Cologne concert, etc.), but the only white musician who really innovated in his instrument is Jaco, and in the instruments, the first ones are all black. Or not?

Who?

Alternative? Those are the ones who go against the masses. The masses have rallied against the government for how it has handled the situation; I haven't come across a journalist or anyone else saying, "In the face of disaster, America reacted perfectly; everything went as it should." It seems to me that the masses are united in a negative judgment, and going where the masses go doesn’t strike me as very alternative. There’s an abuse of the word "Alternative" by young people these days that’s quite alarming; now in music magazines or whatever is deemed "youthful," the term "alternative" is thrown around, creating a mass of alternatives that, as a mass, cannot be alternative. I don’t consider myself alternative, nor do I want to be; I do what I like, I enjoy both "alternative" things and those that aren’t, and I don’t care if the masses think that way or not. What I think about an issue I reflect on; if many people reason the same way or if just three do, I’m not particularly bothered. On the other hand, do you not think like everyone else in this case, or are you positioning yourself against them, anonymously (when you know the site well, since you’ve virtually dissected me) without even a shred of a letter to identify yourself on this page? Or do you think like us but position yourself against it because it seems so alternative? It seems to me that the only alternative here is you.

Dear "But please..." no one talked about the racism of the US government towards black people, neither in the review nor in the comments.

Sorry Lord Henry, I misunderstood completely, I'm a bit in a hurry today. Regarding the etymology of the word, indeed, there are conflicting themes: you are absolutely right :)