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Josi_ there are examples and examples. If you take the example of Robbie Williams, since he clearly does Pop-Rock, you could say Carlens does it better, there are points of comparison. But whether Classical is better than Rap, I don't know, I can't wrap my head around it, I have no solid ground to base the reasoning on. Another example, like comparing an Interstellar Overdrive to a symphony by Rossini (if Rossini ever wrote symphonies, since I have no idea), I don't know.

The discourse is this: according to Enea, there are scales of absolute value, and the true music is classical (correct me Enea if I'm mistaken). In my opinion, there is no absolute value scale; one can attempt to create a value scale for similar records (for example: Led Zeppelin with Deep Purple), and there is no TRUE music. Then there's the other point: classical music doesn't resonate with me much; I prefer electric/electronic sounds. And on the second point, I understand it's heresy, but electric/electronic sounds give me a vibration that classical-acoustic sounds do not provide. Then there was also a shocking revelation: Josi_ is a gaurdone, by his own admission.

But do you really want to tell me that you seriously believe there is ONE true music (in this case, classical) and ONE UNIQUE absolute scale of evaluation? In my opinion, seriously speaking, there is no absolutist discourse of that kind. Something can be liked or not, the rest are just discussions for the sake of talking and exchanging opinions. How can you say that Beethoven is better than Company Flow? On what basis do you calculate better-worse? I repeat: in my opinion, it's a discourse without sense or utility.

Well, to me it seems like a nonsensical discussion. I just can't see any serious classification metrics in art. One can talk about seminalness, but even if I can consider Beethoven seminal, it doesn’t change the fact that I prefer listening to the 35007. Absolutely not comparable in terms of seminalness and historical importance to Beethoven, but… so what? As long as we ramble and throw around mental gymnastics on a site with the header of a cow, it seems really impossible, not to mention pointless since it always ends up in "de gustibus," and it’s pretty boring. I vote for a collection of group jams, and I double vote for a return to unseriousness as the cow teaches us. More cow and less Paganini, in my opinion.

Come on... I make rankings on a website that has always waved the flag of unseriousness. Enea wanted to start a serious discussion, and my response is: a serious discussion just doesn’t exist. Then you can try to rank something of the same genre while keeping in mind the unseriousness of the place where you’re writing, but to say that rap is better than classical, I just can’t wrap my head around it.

<<<And this is the difference: a digital artificial sound also comes through the home stereo from a CD; a classical orchestra doesn't! >>> Indeed, there is a difference, and there is no objective point of evaluation. The fact is that I hear music on the stereo and I don't have a classical orchestra in the office, so it's hard for me to appreciate the sudden implosions in the payroll office, especially when the violinist is in the warehouse. :D

Ossian, Adrian Maben didn't recycle an old work; he gifted us a masterpiece. But come on, how does the old VHS with its terrible sound compare to the DVD in Dolby Surround that implodes in your living room, reviving the suppressed echoes of the conservatory of g__à? Anyway, they would have released the DVD regardless, and since they were at it, for a mere 12¤ they even remixed the audio and improved the visuals. And if you want, you can also watch the original version. Of course, he did it for money; it's his job... do you go to work just for the glory of hearing your boss say, "Well done, kid!"?

However, I have to mention one thing: I believe that in 50 or more years, modern music will also be studied. Sooner or later, the day will come when your little grandson at the conservatory will ask you, "Grandpa, can you help me study Toni Iommi?" And of course, Beethoven will still be studied; that goes without saying. But in the end, it all comes down to personal tastes, there are no objective facts to hold onto; it’s all nonsense.

Useless mental gymnastics. The one shooting down is you, who classify, I have done anything but shoot down, quite the opposite: I couldn't care less about classifying seriously. If it gets messy and we end up in a full-blown mental gymnastics discussion knowing that it is, then so be it, and we can share a laugh. But a serious discussion about music, for me, does not exist. Anyway, all the thousands of C notes you produce with a classical instrument, when inserted into a technological sound processor, multiply until you reach tens of millions of C notes. Of course, classical music has a variety of timbres (given that I now also know what it’s called :D) but with technological instruments, you can do more. With a technological instrument, you can redo classical things and expand on them; with a classical one, you can only do classical things—there may be billions of them, but there are fewer than what you can produce with technology. And all this, I re-emphasize, is worth jack shit. There is no better or worse, just "I like it, I don't like it." The argument you make of "this is better than that," to me, is bullshit. There is no better or worse; the effect a sound has cannot be valued objectively since everyone hears it with different ears, different brains, different cultures, and different tastes. We are not all the same, and everything cannot be planned out. It’s just useless mental gymnastics. Classical music stimulates me little. Is it their fault? No. Is it my fault? Not at all. Who cares? Not me, that's for sure. :D Then you can certainly say who has been more influential than whom... but those are other mental gymnastics that have little to do with listening to a CD. I don't listen to good music, I listen to what I like; you know how much I care about objectively classifying it into an absolute value.

Electronics I say, modulations of the same note extended and modified. Knobs, buttons, etc. the classic piano you press a key and it goes "pin". Then you press it again and keep it held down, it will always say "pin". The electric piano you press a key and it goes "pin," you hold it down and it goes "piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin ," then you start to play around and it will make "piiiooooùùùnnweeeooonnnwwiooonnn". :D