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Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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What a drag you are... you can never argue in peace with you. Have a more combative spirit. I'll read the second episode tomorrow after it stops raining.
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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And yet it begins... damn, hire a secretary to type your thoughts.
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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A separate discussion for Can: Can, along with Neu! and Kraftwerk, have nothing to do with one another, Can played Rock—if you want to call it progressive, or space, or psychedelic—but with Kraft and Neu! there are abyssal differences; it wasn't electronic (in the current sense of the term).
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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Well, Vasco Rossi is an immense composer because he has the merit of making songs for idiots. When Neu! made Negativeland, a piece that is Techno, that is Electronic, that is Groove and has immense innovation, it was '72, and Kraftwerk were still just sketching out some semi ambient stuff. When Neu! made Super78, it was so Techno and Rave that it wasn't understood at the time. The fortune of Kraft was to go slower than Neu!, who were so ahead that they bypassed the market instead of entering it. Listen to Super78 (which is from '73, though) or Spitzenqualität, and tell me if that’s not modern electronic music... and they came out in '73, years before Kraftwerk, and light years ahead.
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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The definition of Kraut-Rock is the definition of a movement and a musical scene, not of a genre. It's like saying "stoner" or "the Bay Area," when within them there are very different groups. They are just attitudes. However, if you take it track by track, you can find some similarities between one group and another, but they are too minimal to be defined as a genre, just as this is too trivial to be called an album; it's just a rough sketch.
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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Take Ashes To Ashes by Tangerine, and Silver Forest from this draft, and tell me what substantial difference you find. Take Notinsagro from this draft, and Cold Smoke by Tangerine, and tell me what difference you see. Then for those that are a bit more played and eastern-influenced, take any track from Phallus Dei by Duul II, and you can easily throw this album away without remorse.
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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Well, I'm listening to it again now and it still sucks even more, and Electric Meditation fits perfectly in comparison, same musical goal, but one achieved and the other not. Ambient is a term used by people to define the records of Tangerine Dream, Popul Vuh, Organisation... or we can generically call it Kraut Rock, we pretty much remain in that area even if it widens since it includes people like Amon Düül who, for example, have nothing to do with Neu!, and Neu! have nothing to do with Popul Vuh. It's not a generalization, on the contrary, more "sub-genre-specific" than that... it's not at all the same as Springsteen with Sabbath; at best, you can match Sabbath with Trouble and Springsteen with Ligabue. This album is just a rough draft, and it also came out poorly.
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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And then they please Aeneas, an extra reason to burn the discography.
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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In my opinion, Zion just anticipated the Club Culture in the sense of poppy people shaking their butts with a gin and tonic in hand. Techno and today's electronic music were created by Neu! in '72, when Kraftwerk were still stuck on Kraftwerk 1. In fact, Kraftwerk annoys me a lot; they were seminal here and there when they really just pop-ified Neu!’s stuff. Then, yes, they were commercially brilliant since they understood before anyone else that people on the dancefloor can’t process more than three sounds at once... but from a musical point of view, they are far inferior to their cousins Dinger & Rother.
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
Kraftwerk - Organisation Tone Float
29 nov 05
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This album is a bit like the first Genesis one... half a mess, remembered only because they went on to make great records.
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