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Alex, I also share the viewpoint on rhythm. If a rapper wants to have good rhythm, in 99.9% of cases it compromises the content, because it’s hard to find words that rhyme but sound different: that is, if it rhymes, it sounds the same, right? Or it compromises the content; just look at people like Busta Rhymes who has great rhythm, but then you read the lyrics and it’s not that he says little, it just makes no sense at all. Just like a riff can hardly be extremely powerful (extremely) and also extremely melodic, you get one out of a million; you seek compromise or aim for a specific goal. The goal of RATM was content, so I think it’s better to read the lyrics than the scores. And miraculous of miracles, they manage to have both content and a spacey meter; for me, that’s more than enough, and maybe there are others as capable as him. Always reiterating that the "instrumental" part was absolutely nothing special, actually.
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Anyway, let's refresh the memory of the newcomers, it’s always good: Vic Sorriso is the user Zigghio, the one who writes comments unregistered, but also reviews. This way he lets out his metal side, and there’s nothing wrong with that, Nick does it too. If you want to annoy him, just tell Zigghio, because under Vic Sorriso there’s no way to discuss.
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But Alex, tell me if you think this is the typical song format of RATM: Drums in 4/4, always and anyway. A super simple bass line that’s perpetually on loop, always and anyway. A super simple riff with a solo in the middle that sounds like scratching. A rapper being a rapper. It seems to me like a nasty kind of Rap made with instruments. I don’t judge RATM solely from a rap perspective; I say that as a rock band, I find them half-assed if not worse, and as a rap group, they’re the best in the world. I don’t deny that the rock component sucks, I just say that, despite sucking, the Rap component is so immense, unassailable, fabulous, and inimitable that “mathematically speaking,” you can’t say a damn thing against it. It’s like when people say that Toni Iommi’s solos weren’t anything magnificent; okay, they weren’t (not that they were bad, but they weren’t incredible either), but his riffs were so immense that “mathematically speaking,” you can’t say a damn thing against it. Then on the inspiration from Page, of course, I’m on board; it’s blatant and shameless. Plagiarized two, inspired 90%... but I repeat, I couldn’t care less about the riffs in RATM, just as I don’t give a damn about the solos in Sabbath.
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Thinking about Rage as riffs from Morello seems hilarious to me. Drums in 4/4, bass on loop, scratches on the guitar, and the best rapper in history at the microphone. Riffs? Excuse me, but who cares? If you want riffs, go listen to Down, not RATM. If you want the best rapper in this world accompanied by instruments, you listen to RATM. These criticisms sound like the metalhead who says, "what a drag, jazz doesn’t make me headbang." Anyway, Morello copied 2 riffs, 2 out of 30; saying "any riff from Morello is a copy of Page" is a galactic exaggeration. Where is Snake Charmer copied from? And Roll Right? And where is Vietnow copied from? And Voice Of The Voiceless? Sure, Morello, in terms of riffs, seems like a fool like many others, nothing special, but I repeat, who cares about RATM's riffs? Listen to the scratches and the rap, because they are the best in the history of music. Or find me a better guitar scratcher than Morello, and a better rapper than Zack. Spoiler: there isn't one.
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Unconscious evaluation matrix: Mine is snobbish (yours seems more "real" to me off the bat), meaning: You make me feel a certain way by telling me it’s from 2005, and let’s say I say "crap." Then you go "ha ha ha I tricked you, it’s from 1947"... I automatically think, oh damn, that’s fabulous, way ahead of its time. I can’t strip a listening experience from its release date; it’s certainly a "snobbish" attitude, but it comes naturally to me. Fortunately: "the world is beautiful because it is varied," or even "hooray for diversity of thought," or "if we all thought the same way, what a bore"... choose a wise proverb of your choice, it’s a gift with this week’s "Chi Caz," approved by Giacobini.
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Oh my god...
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Yes, I understood that you didn't mean to say that historical importance is useless. It's just that this discussion has reached such an extreme philosophical level that we need to explain every word :D. I got your point, and I repeat, it flows like a train; I have a different subconscious evaluation meter than yours (different, not better or worse, let's keep it subjective) but I would add a "thankfully" :D.
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Emanuele, I am not trying to "judge" a genre based on an objective evaluation. My argument was entirely focused on your statement "music is not subjective," which I do not agree with, while I do support an "attempt at objective evaluation according to preset criteria." Whether I am confusing things (maybe I am, huh) cannot be understood from what I wrote, as I didn't even address the argument but only provided examples. I don't even care to engage with the argument. The "clash" that occurred on this page has happened and will always happen because you are in a site that, by its nature, tends to undermine objectivity to promote subjective evaluation: reviews written by anyone, not necessarily by experts. It is logical that, being a teacher and a professional in the field, you try to pursue discussions that, although legitimate, honestly do not interest me/us and find a barren ground. I repeat, once you clarified to me that, according to you as well, "musical taste cannot be objective," I am fine with everything; that was just where I wanted to get. And this doesn't mean that you are saying nonsense; "musicology" is surely a very interesting topic, but not for me. Ajeje, your argument flows well, but I can't strip a listening from its release date; otherwise, I would have to say that Simon Price from The Heads is a thousand times better than Hendrix :D
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... I can't escape the rant... Ajeje, it never happens to me EITHER, only with the classics from the 1800s downwards. Let’s be clear, the classical compositions made TODAY, I say "it might be genius maybe, but I don't like it." because those of today have the opportunity to explore, and if they don’t, then that's their loss, but it doesn’t seem like genius behavior to me. But when we talk about the great classics, they can't be blamed for the fact that synths and electricity didn't exist, so for their time, their work was nothing short of genius. Listening to them at first impact triggers an automatic response that makes me appreciate them solely as notes and I say WOW WHAT A GENIUS, then after a while of listening, my ear finds no substance to sustain it and tells me WOW WHAT A DRAG. But I repeat, regarding modern music, it never happens to me. Here we are on the verge of an immense rant, let’s try to stay on the edges without falling into the 800 post abysses :D
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Here we are getting stuck badly in an old-fashioned rant. I'm abandoning ship, also because then Flavio changes his mind and won't let me go out with Naomi anymore; I have to seize the opportunity on the fly.