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Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno

30 mar 06

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Progressive = genre, it’s total bullshit, which highlights the fact that you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you’re not interested in the conversation, don’t know it, and don’t care to discuss it, just leave it alone, simple. The conversation about this is one you wanted to have. I remind you how it all started: Cope says that prog is shit, and I find that contradictory: because he claims that the first Duul, which is pretty much prog in music but kraut in belonging, is a masterpiece. So I wrote "borderline between kraut and progressive," because prog in music and kraut in belonging. You say it doesn’t make sense, that prog is a genre this and that... and then you tell me who gives a damn. If you don’t care, that’s fine, but don’t come tell me that I’m spouting bullshit about a genre that doesn’t interest you and that you don’t know, but that I’ve been following for ten years. Because the bullshit is coming from you: tell me, do you think Duul 1 isn’t between prog & kraut? What is it, between prog and punk, between techno and salsa? All prog? All kraut? Come on, enlighten me, instead of stopping a discussion that you can’t carry on but just took up to look cool.

Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno

30 mar 06

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Without even changing groups, you find different things, eh? Red by Crimson has very little to do with the debut. Just as Tago Mago by Can is totally different from Babalooma. Not to mention that quite a bit of prog spills into psychedelia and vice versa; a lot of kraut also spills into both prog and psychedelia, and so the reverse is true as well. There are few genres where you can say, "this is called this, period," and the enormous variety of the prog landscape, in my opinion, does not allow for that. It's not just because there's a solo longer than 40 seconds that makes it prog. However, many albums can still be given a direction; take the debut of the first Duul band, which is clearly proggarolo.

Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno

30 mar 06

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It’s clear that you don’t know much about progressive Enea. The same argument you make for Kraut can be made for prog. In both, you can align quite a few groups under the same thread, and the two threads have nothing to do with each other. Soft Machine and Area sound quite different from Genesis & Yes, but really quite different, yet the two pairs have some strong resonances with each other. Schulze is different from the Duul, but he has quite a bit in common with various TD, White Noise, and others. The early Duul II and the early Can have many things in common, and as mentioned, as you say, Can and TD have nothing in common. Prog is not at all a defined musical genre; if you say so, it seems to me you have quite a few listens left to explore. Here you can have fun: www.progarchives.com

David Gilmour Teatro Arcimboldi Milano 24.03.06

30 mar 06

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Why do I have to end up somewhere? What is it, a new law? It's obvious that the reasoning doesn't make sense; I haven't written any reasoning, I haven't. Can you explain to me what the reasoning would be?

Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno

30 mar 06

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The phrase makes perfect sense. In progressive rock, although it’s a broad genre with various "shades," there is still a central mood that makes you go "okay, this is prog." In Krautrock, it’s the same thing. Even though both are wide movements, there are kraut elements, prog elements, and borderline elements. Also, the phrase "between mayonnaise and lemon" makes sense as well. You don’t count the factors that include something; you just calculate the final product. Otherwise, we might as well call everything "music," and Ramazzotti would be the same as Jimi Hendrix since they both use the guitar. Cope exaggerates and takes a stance beforehand, but he doesn’t spout nonsense. Besides, the albums you’re talking about, you’ve only recently listened to and overdosed on them suddenly, while he has seen them come out one by one and had the time to really listen to all of them. You’ve got a lot of bread and synth to consume before you label Julian Cope as a bullshitter, no worries.

Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno

30 mar 06

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In England, they didn't have the same huge spirit of overturning everything. Beautiful is the phrase from one of the commune Amon Duul: "our fathers were the foot soldiers of Hitler, we wanted to be something different."

Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno

30 mar 06

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I got the edited reprint of Kraurock Sampler last week. There are some strange contradictions between Progressive and certain borderline groups between kraut and progressive, like Amon Duul (one), which in the end are very, very prog. It’s hard to read a work that tries to be serious if you first read "prog is good for propping up little tables" and then that Psychedelic Underground is a masterpiece. Although, just looking at a photo of him and you understand everything. Anyway, it’s a very useful book that I should have read earlier: it would have saved me a ton of reading to discover a lot of bands. One thing is really ugly though: the cover.

David Gilmour Teatro Arcimboldi Milano 24.03.06

30 mar 06

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<<< Gilmour (out of Pink Floyd... nice theory...) you detest him >>> Another lie. I never said I detest him. If you don't read the words without giving them your own meaning, you'll never understand. You're not dumb; it's just that you're using the wrong approach. Because, as you can see, you're a gaggio.

David Gilmour Teatro Arcimboldi Milano 24.03.06

30 mar 06

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<<My bullshit (which ones?)>> These -> <<< what should be a debate >>> Bullshit. What should be a debate is your preconception. It doesn’t have to be anything in particular, step outside the box. <<< He called everyone idiots >>> Bullshit. Only those who went to the concert, everyone means 3 billion people, count correctly. <<< We may be fools >>> Bullshit, I said you are just that, nothing more. <- There they are.

David Gilmour Teatro Arcimboldi Milano 24.03.06

30 mar 06

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No, I'm sorry, too many exclamation points. I don't enjoy these high-adrenaline discussions. I'll come back when you're ready for a challenge of semicolons.

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