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DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
17 may 08
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<<< you showed that you don't understand anything of what I said >>> I understood perfectly well, it's just that for me it's an absurd nonsense. <<< in fact it was shared, besides by Lewis, also by others on this same page >>> To me, it really seems not. Everyone has shared the fact that social centers died in the first half of the 90s, because it's true. But no one says it was the fault of Rap, because it's an absurd nonsense. But since you are really stupid and can't read, let me quote you a couple. OCCULTO SUPERSOVRANO <<< Saying that social centers closed due to the spread of posse is just bullshit, >>> LEWIS TOLLANI <<< I believe that the Italian hc scene disappeared on its own, >>>. I also say yes, social centers died in the early nineties. Okay, but realize that Rap has nothing to do with it, your brain is mush.
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
16 may 08
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The vehicle, not the message. But what message could a musician ever have? If I'm looking for messages, I go to the bookstore, not to the social center, and certainly not to a record store. The engaged musician is usually someone who doesn't know how to be either a musician or a politician. I'm not far from this type of thing; rather, I take it much more seriously than just hearing it on a CD. But beyond that, the fact that you believe the decline of social centers is the fault of Rap, trust me, that's hilarious. "Rap, the plague of Social Centers."
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
15 may 08
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No no, I'm sorry. You're the older one, since you're so out of it. I’m not interested in your speech, I don't know how to tell you. I was only interested in correcting the nonsense you spewed about the review of a masterpiece, period. You never "discussed" with me.
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
15 may 08
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Billo, come to terms with your brain. Who talked about social centers? Who gives a damn about social centers? Not me, that's for sure. I only corrected some nonsense regarding RAP MUSIC and MUSICAL SELF-PRODUCTION. Music, just music. If you want self-productions in a "serious version," let’s say "homemade record labels," in Italy you can find Hard Rock, Metal, Heavy Psychedelia, Rap, and Heavy Electronic. In short, something for everyone. If you want self-productions of those "auto" types, of people who hand out their records, I know a ton of them, even some of my friends. Then, how the hell social centers fit into this only you know, but if for you, since social centers are crap, musical self-production is dead, well, know that you don't understand a damn thing. Since the advent of the Internet, if there's one thing that has EXPLODED, it's self-production. There have never been so many homemade productions as now, never. You have a computer, right? Well then, take a look around and then tell me.
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
15 may 08
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<<< that you’re not interested in my speech, and you keep posting. >>> I don’t participate in your speech, I only correct the nonsense you write. <<< Ask your older brothers or some older friend. >>> I believe the young one is you, among the two. Trust me.
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
15 may 08
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"Maybe you’re very young and have no idea about the circuits that existed until the early '90s." But what the hell do you know about how old I am? This record is from '93, and I bought it as soon as it came out. Is that enough, or do you want a photocopy of my ID? Trust me, it’s not us who are young; it’s you who is uninformed about things back then and today.
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
15 may 08
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I couldn't care less about your speech; I only debate incorrect factual knowledge, period. Meaning what I've quoted. If I read a bullshit claim that can be verified against facts, I say it. This isn't about discourse; it's about not spouting nonsense. Like this: <<< What I know is that with hip hop in Italy, a whole circuit of self-production that was born with punk has disappeared, which lasted for over twenty years. >>> You know very little, for example, I bought the self-produced album by Kaos One from his own hands just a few months ago. If the punk kids aren’t self-producing anymore, that's their problem, but saying "the Italian self-production circuit is dead" is another bullshit claim that can be verified against facts. Self-produced records are still coming out, and many of them too. Get informed before you start spewing nonsense. And I repeat: this isn't about "discourse," I'm not interested in your argument that "the fate of hip hop is commercialization," both because it seems like useless mental gymnastics to me, and because there have always been and will always be two ways to "create" a music genre: the commercial way and the non-commercial way. What a revelation.
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
15 may 08
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<<< I’m not aware of any politically engaged hip hop groups in Italy during the '80s, >>> But who the hell cares about political commitment? <<< Rap in the '80s was stuff for Francesco Salvi (this machine here..) or, at most, Jovanotti's "gimme five". >>> But stop talking nonsense, turn off the TV, it’s for the best. If you found rap disgusting back then and still do, how do you expect to know the serious groups, and thus the Underground? Following your ridiculous reasoning, the landscape of global music is this: Punk - Hc = Green Day = Crap / Electronic = Albertino = Crap / Rock = Arctic Monkeys = Crap… and so on and so forth. All crap. Just watch TV and Francesco Salvi, you’ll see how much good stuff you’ll find. By the way, not to go far, Dj Gruff has been making rap since '83. Going back a bit further, Militant Havana & Lou X were doing politically engaged rap since '86. If you don’t know a damn thing about a subject, keeping quiet makes you look better.
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
15 may 08
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In the 80s, rap and breakdancing in Italy were something commercial and it was written that they would return to being so. What a colossal bullshit. Commercial rock has always existed, yet it doesn't ruin the serious kind. The same goes for commercial electronic music. There's commercialism in all musical genres; they just go in and out of fashion in waves. When the stupid unz unz was trendy, it doesn't seem like Autechre were affected at all. You've said one of the funniest bullshit statements I've ever read here, and that's saying something.
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
DJ Gruff Rapadopa
15 may 08
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<<<there are also many more low-cost means>>> I mean "means" in the sense of "low-cost," not "economic means" in the sense of money.
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