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Cpt, instead, I understand you perfectly; we just have different views. Let’s see. <<< we should name names: >>> I’ll give you some Italian ones: El-Thule, Doomraiser, Skywise. Three names that more or less operate in the same field. There’s no need for a long list; I just want to specify that I’m talking about very very underground. <<< if technology is doing so well for the market, why is everyone trying to do as many tours as possible (the real source of income for musicians). >>> Here we are: the fact that they do more tours is good for us "customers." There are three times as many shows going on, and not just from the band that's around the corner. Festivals are constantly being created anew, and the people who perform there aren’t chosen haphazardly. In the 90s, I would have dreamed of a festival like Stoned Hand Of Doom in Rome. It would have been impossible to see Colour Haze in Cagliari, let alone twice in two years. In Milan, between Magnolia and Cox 18, the cream of world psychedelic rock has come and continues to come. Fu Manchu has been around for 18 years, 18 years, and they only came to Italy after the advent of the internet, and for various dates. The Garbage Dump Booking Agency is a friend of mine with two square balls who has been organizing events with the crème de la crème for a year, just because he wants to do it. How did you find a musician by phone before? Now you send an email; sooner or later they see it, sooner or later they respond. Sooner or later they come to play here. <<< Now I don’t know if your take on banning bad music is one of your funny (and I say this without irony) remarks>>> I started by saying, "let’s make an absurd argument." Of course, these are "free thoughts," utopias of "how wonderful it would be if it happened." <<< I wouldn’t put too much stock in the various charts you see around; they seem so rigged to me >>> I also don’t believe it’s true that they still sell "a million copies," except for very rare cases. And that’s another good thing! Even Cream had to go back to cashing in live, hooray! Even Led Zeppelin, but even better!... and so on.

<<< Stopping a tour because it's costing you money doesn't mean you can't live off your music. >>> You're using an example that doesn't quite fit. We're still talking about a superstar here. I'm talking about people who make great records (each in their own genre) and who are followed by genre enthusiasts. <<< It's true that America has played on the radio, but certainly not on mainstream radio. >>> Given that America is vast, throwing out a random number without exaggerating, let's say there are at least one equivalent of "radio 3" in each state. How many states are there? Quite a few, right? And since you know well that there's not just one equivalent per state, if you do the math, you'll realize that being the "king of the non-mainstream" in such a large country still means fame. << There's just the music market. >> We can still divide it into two: The music industry (Aguilera, Tokio Hotel, etc., etc.), and the craftsmanship of music (let's say the Pontiak, since I'm listening to them right now). I looked out of curiosity at what you reviewed (I had never read or noticed you before, just to clarify and not to belittle), and I think that if those are your listens, we would never understand each other. And I don't say this with a sense of "wow, that's awful," but just in the sense I mentioned earlier, meaning we couldn't possibly connect. If you talk to me about Billy Idol or Satriani or Deep Purple (people who have had fame, even if not as massive as Michael Jackson), and I talk to you about Yob (a warehouse worker, a supermarket clerk, and the other I don't remember), then it's normal that our conversations wouldn't intersect. Then I repeat, I found it funny that you self-reviewed, and I wanted to tell you. The main reason is this, obviously at the beginning not knowing what you listen to I couldn't have known we could talk for days without ever meeting in common. But, just one thing <<< don't come trying to be pedantic with me (especially about Zappa...) >>> Well, you also admitted to saying something silly, namely that Zappa didn’t play on the radio. So it seems to me you could be a bit pedantic. Especially about Zappa, too. Maybe you know him well too, but don't worry, you're not the only one who has spent hundreds of euros just to have at home even a portion of the vast discography.

As you well know, it’s been technological evolution that has messed up the music market.>> Big lies, huge lies. The SERIOUS music market has only benefited from the internet. People who played only in their own country for years are now touring worldwide. They are now reissuing albums that sold only ten copies at the time of their release. It’s the crap that used to sell 5 million copies that now sells half, exaggerating. And that’s beautiful. And it's not "for me," it’s just the way it is, because live sales and reissues are hard facts that can be found everywhere. Take a look around the internet and see how many albums that were "sold out" for 15 years have been reissued after the advent of the internet. <<< So? What does this have to do with listening to Radio Deejay? >>> I wrote that earlier. It’s not like I can repeat things a hundred times every time.

Well, if we want to be precise <<< zappa was never played on any radio >>> Bullshit. Zappa was definitely played on the radio, and he always received great acclaim in all the magazines around the world, and when he died, it was reported by every news program in Italy, let alone worldwide. <<< he never had any problem living off his music, >>> Bullshit. He interrupted countless tours because he was losing money. Okay, opinions are fine, but when it comes to factual accuracy, in my view, you've written nonsense, or inaccuracies, or just plain bullshit.

<<< thinking that the radios influence the record market in any way >>> No. you didn't understand the point. I didn't write that, and I don't think it. Reread it, you'll be luckier.

I wish that people who can make music could live off of it, so they can make more records for me to listen to, and 100 bands don’t break up every month because one member has to get a job. That’s the reason. But as we’ve known for years, you are limited and you couldn’t get there on your own.

Imagine how wonderful it would be, millions of people in the square burning Scialpi t-shirts... hordes of kids drowning the usual jerk who offers you "the nice t-shirt" with his acoustic guitar on the beach... just thinking about it makes me feel better.

Cpt, your argument makes sense, but it applies to you, as you already have a refined taste from the fact that you know how to seek out records. Let's try a thought experiment: someone who doesn't buy records, lacks refined taste, and always hangs out on Radio Deejay and similar crap. By eliminating the possibility of crap, after a few years of stagnation, there would be a turnaround. For example: at the beginning of the 1900s, cocaine was legally used, and it was nice to offer it to guests, like coffee. Freud recommended it to many of his patients. Then they made it illegal, and after a few years of chaos, now it's seen by most as the devil. If you made crap music illegal, I believe the same would happen. Let's arrest Cremonini, crucify the Pooh, I don't know, let's cut the hair of the Tokio Hotel guy. If nothing happens after that, well, at least we tried. And at least there’s one less awful hairstyle in the world.

Yeeeh, now you're doing the cleaning... but no one believes it...

<< Don't generalize >> I'm not generalizing. As far as I've understood in the two or three days I've been around, we're discussing art here. Art has nothing to do with utility. Therefore, no one denies the usefulness of the intercom, which saves you from climbing the stairs, but if I had to read a review of my new Bticino with video, I would include one. Beyond this, the main reason I wrote here was the self-review. Since I'm not in the head of the reviewer, I can't know if they admitted to being the author out of honesty or out of pride. Obviously, I think poorly of it, and I assess it as pride. So there!