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Meshuggah Destroy Erase Improve
Meshuggah Destroy Erase Improve
30 apr 11
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"<< very intricate hammering but absolutely useless >> Useless is one of those words that means nothing, just like the overused “they're very technical but sound Cold,” queen of nonsense. You don’t like complicated stuff, since you only mention albums that— in this field—are particularly simple, truly, Reign In Blood and Vulgar Display of Power can be played by a middle school kid (of course, judging albums has nothing to do with this). << 43% Burnt by the Dillinger Escape Plan is worth much more >> For me, they are two things at opposite ends; Dillinger seeks a compact sound, while Meshuggah goes for a texture. I repeat, not different, but literally at opposite corners. If one wanted to talk about ratings, I could say that a Dillinger album bores me after two listens because being so compact, everything reveals itself in a single listen, whereas with Meshuggah you catch a “new offbeat” (or whatever you want) even after the three-hundredth listen. For example, I think Unknown Pleasures by Joy Division is bullshit, but don't tell anyone."
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
30 apr 11
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And to wrap up the discussion on influence/innovation, Jane Doe was certainly not an innovative album, but it was definitely a very influential one given that there are so many clones. Botch were innovative in that field, but they didn’t have much influence.
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
30 apr 11
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I won't even mention Kid A, since there aren't even small examples to start a discussion, as it's not an "album by Radiohead" but by Warp, which - strange coincidence? - after the glories of the 90s, faded away in the journey through the 2000s.
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
30 apr 11
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At most among the "popular" of the 2000s, one could include "influenced by Lateralus" Obzen by Meshuggah, but only and exclusively in small instrumental parts of bass and drums; or even the first album by Dredg, which nevertheless made a splash with the second that is much less Tool-like than the first, indeed maybe it’s not Tool-like at all (In fact, I remember that El Cielo hooked me right away). For the rest, I believe Lateralus is the closure of a cycle, rather than a beginning.
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
30 apr 11
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"I think that influence also operates through the audience you manage to engage." Exactly, that’s what I was trying to say. The albums mentioned had a very limited audience in the 2000s; they just confirmed the listeners they already had in the 90s. It was then that those "genres" (understood in the broadest sense of the term) engaged a lot of people, myself included. If you ask me for an album similar to Relationship from the 2000s, I struggle to find one (surely there is one, and if I think about it hard enough, I would find it too), but if I think of an album similar from the 90s, many come to mind, and all of them sold extremely well. Then again, maybe if you count the listener charts that are completely off base (Billboard, etc.), I could be wrong since I don’t know them, but the charts from sites run by people who actually listen to music don’t seem to report any similar albums from 2001 (because – and it’s not a coincidence – the ones he mentioned are all from the year 2000) to 2010. It’s no wonder that even the same bands from those albums have significantly changed their offerings after those records. To give you another practical example, Sparta continued to make ATDI-like music and nobody pays them any attention. The Mars Volta completely shifted to other styles, and I believe I’ve read their name around.
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
30 apr 11
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Anyway, Never Kill The Boy On First Date is a beautiful title.
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
30 apr 11
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But am I the only one who never understands what you're saying? I swear, I have no idea how to respond to you, and I'm not even sure you're talking to me. No offense, though.
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
30 apr 11
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An influential album in 2000 can only be electronic. For example, Dubstep now even has sub-sub-sub-genres; or post-rock with synthesizers like Mogwai, Glitch-Rap which has been dominating for ten years (and we’re still talking about Rap + unza unza). The only exception is Drone, which, even if played with electric guitars, results quite differently from what you’d expect from guys with guitars around their necks.
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
Circle Takes The Square As The Roots Undo
30 apr 11
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Do you find them that influential? Relationship is the perfected summary of the ATDI career, and it's very comparable to a record like the latest from Refused or any album by Unsane, which are from the 90s. Lateralus is the same; it's the perfected summary of 90s Tool, who in turn refine things from 20 years before, and to list all the comparisons would take 300 names. As for Kid A, let's not even talk about it—it's not so much a summary of R. Head’s career but rather a summation of stuff from others (Warp Records in its entirety) still from the 90s. Jane Doe, yes, that's an influential record from the 2000s. It's not that great albums have to be influential; in fact, most of the time, a great album comes because it’s heavily influenced by others (I specify this so that the usual idiot doesn't come along to say they're masterpieces—yes, they are, but "influential" has nothing to do with it).
Erykah Badu Mama's Gun
Erykah Badu Mama's Gun
28 apr 11
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<< sophisticated Erykah Badu, a progressive (and progressive) representative of the inflated world of black music. >> Great Badu, nothing to say, just bows. However, she's neither progressive nor progressista, and above all, she's someone who goes on about being down-to-earth and of the people from morning till night, so that "sophisticated" would probably get shoved up your nose if she heard you. (I also hate the term "black music," since it means nothing, but that's a dead-end discussion) /// The video from a few years ago where she appears on album covers is wonderful, especially the giant Tamarrata (still looping back to the "sophisticated," not even close) on the cover of Paid In Full, where she imitates Jim Carrey who, in the late '80s, was mimicking the rappers on Saturday Night Live.
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