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Coldplay Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends
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So, if that is the concept of "challenge with time," you also need to explain to me what this beauty that magically disappears or doesn't disappear depends on. The challenge with time, as you understand it (and I'm surely interpreting it wrong, but it doesn't matter), is purely subjective. I believe "keeping up with the times" and "the challenge of time" are exactly the same thing, meaning the relevance of structures, arrangements, sounds, and everything else you want; the rest (the fact that an album not in step with the times can still be liked after years) is determined by subjective and emotional sensations and does not count in the merits, the weight of an album.
I never said those words were yours, but these are the things that everyone says in the case of Coldplay, myself included (in the first comment on the review, I rename them with the name of three or four bands combined), and if I’m saying it with you, it's just because a debate was born between two comments, but I was referring to a collective discussion. Even if those weren't the aspects to evaluate, they would still be too rigid evaluations for a product that, as can be seen among the comments, can be liked or not. In short, this album is neither more nor less than many other albums that, however, not being Coldplay, are regarded with humble consideration as "a pop band, carefree, it's fine." Right, who cares if Coldplay are all those things together? That’s exactly what I’m trying to say, but I don't think, at the end of the day, there's an assessment of a final result where the only protagonist is the music, whether it is plagiarized, heavily influenced by other bands, or sounds ā€œold.ā€ Then I don't consider Coldplay talentless, and I believe, given the sales and the crowds behind them, that they can indeed touch "the strings" of some listeners, take the reviewer. (Well, then there's neurodeliri, what can I say? Am I the one putting words in someone else's mouth?) Anyway, I don't think it’s the case to put them on trial; like it or not, the album sounds like a normal pop album, well played, well produced, etc. Most of the judgments would be better summarized with a "I don't like it." Or was I right when, a few comments above, I pointed out a lack of objectivity? But then let’s forget all this (also because I got lost), there’s another thing I don’t agree with, and that’s the idea that the validity of an album depends at all costs on its longevity. Can a "minor" album not evoke emotions for someone?
Coldplay Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends
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And then excuse me, take "In perfetta solitudine" by the good Fiumani, I don't believe it will win the battle against time, but despite this, both you and I consider it an excellent piece of work, regardless of whether we like it or not.
Coldplay Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends
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Would the entire value of a record be attributed to the battle against time then? I disagree. In this case, the music would take a back seat. Keeping up with the times after years is "just" (a lot) one aspect. It's the work behind it that makes that record worthy of at least a minimum of respect: the Las Checiàp obviously don't deserve it, no matter how much I might prefer them for sheer provocative taste or who knows what; a record as "articulated" as this one, no matter how much I may subjectively dislike it, does not deserve this kind of treatment just "because it’s nothing new - they are mainstream - they copied here and there - they sound like U2 - in two years it will already be old" (and that is all true), it would be unfair if these observations held any value, musically speaking. And if you think that's the case, well, you are wrong. About the so-called "frivolous" example of Nevermind the Bollocks, we are neither talking about a product designed at the drawing board (Las Checiàp), nor about a work that results from convoluted processes. I don't know if I’ve made my point clear, but in the other two cases there is a more significant effort behind it, based on different maxims. Or do you think the Coldplay album was designed à la Aserejé? I doubt it. Finally, sure, let’s strip away lyrics and music, and what’s left? This is precisely what I was talking about: in an overall view, it's not a record worth less than nothing, nor is it the crème de la mèrde circulating, but it deserves respect and can be liked even if it is nothing new and/or definitely not a record that in twenty years (or even two months) will still be up with the times. In short, it’s not to be said that one can't consider a work good, or that it might not be valuable, or that it shouldn’t bring pleasure when listened to after years just because it isn’t current. And I’m not talking about subjective beauty; otherwise, as you say, even the judgment on an Aserejé would be debatable (oh yes, it can please), but I always refer to the work behind it, which deserves "respect" and which brings value regardless of the duration of the effect. That said, I don’t like it, just so you know.
Coldplay Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends
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Allow me to doubt that the same effort went into the two examples in question. One thing is a little piece crafted at the drawing board, another is aiming for success by using catchy tunes that are still built on structures worthy of being called songs.
Coldplay Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends
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For me, it fundamentally comes down to a lack of willingness to be objective. The album isn't that bad after all (and I'm not that fond of Coldplay, aside from a few sporadic tracks). Unexplainably, though, Coldplay has the ability to get on people's nerves like few others, and that negatively affects the evaluations. Not every album needs to stand the test of time or be innovative, which is why albums like "Viva la Figa" are appreciated by "casual listeners".
Metric Fantasies
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Cute. I agree with Blackdog regarding the feeca and with Sentence regarding the Grand Duchy.
Weezer Maladroit
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The Blue Album was definitely better, then interesting tracks here and there.
Guns 'N' Roses Appetite For Destruction
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The review is shamelessly copied from truemetal.it. It's a nice album anyway, no point in adding more for those who think pop=shit, commercial=shit at all costs, they think of money/flatterers=shit, etc... Always keep an eye on the final result, that's what matters! Bye