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MIKE76, your "argumentation" about Florentine football is laughable and out of place. Regarding the haka, I stand by my opinion. It has nothing to do with the margins of a meeting of a sport brought by "invaders," whether played by natives or not is irrelevant. Its placement remains out of place and folkloristic in the worst sense of the term. Think about it however you want. I don't even have a PlayStation; if you want to imply that I'm a couch athlete, you've stepped in it. Reread my sports and you'll discover that I'm a lover and practitioner of various niche sports as well as mainstream ones. Even at a high level, without false modesty, so you said something ridiculous.
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, a nation that has a population equal to that of one of our metropolises, is embarrassing for a movement that you say is so deeply rooted. Or not? These figures and considerations seem to clash with your conviction. It is not rooted UNFORTUNATELY (I reiterate it strongly).

TELESPSALLA, as for watching rugby, I'll go to Giurati. I fear that without the support of TV and replays, it will be even harder to understand, but I hope to find someone friendly and knowledgeable like you next to me who can help me fully grasp (and therefore appreciate more) what happens among that tangle of brave, intelligent, and at the same time primordial giants (okay?). From knowledge, knowing, and not being ignorant, a truly constructive approach can arise in this sense. Without it, one witnesses the farce of Meazza. I am not an enemy of rugby but of the headless, uncritical, superficial, and very Italian way in which the majority approaches certain novelties driven by the media's piper. It happens with rugby and, in the same way, in many other and more critical areas of society. The Italian is more suggestible than a Pavlov's dog. This (not the oval ball) is what makes me angry.

With mutual esteem and a genuine love for sports in a broader sense (otherwise we wouldn't still be here discussing it).
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TELESPALLA I say it’s niche in ITALY. I know that in certain provincial realities it’s quite popular. Just like handball in some regions or fencing (I could go on). On a "national" level, if we look at the sums... well, it’s not really well known or received, let alone practiced. Come on. Italy vs South Africa received practically zero attention from the media. A damn thing on the news and 5 square centimeters on the front page of Gazza. That seems a little scant for a match against the world champions, and the colossal difference in treatment seems evident, further proving the questionable foundations on which they built the Milan event. This is really obvious, am I so wrong about this? I don’t think so. Regarding the "moral" values that rugby embodies, I believe I have expressed myself positively and I agree with you. I’ve said several times that for Italy, a true assimilation of the values of teamwork, organization, unity, etc. that rugby brings would represent a cultural evolution in a country that is crassly football-centric. It would be an improvement for society, no matter how "small" the push from a sport can be in that sense (not that small anyway). As you may have understood by now, while recognizing its intrinsic values, I find it a mediocre spectacle. And here it’s a matter of taste, and please allow me not to be overly enthusiastic when I talk about rugby. Not offensive tones (if I've offended anyone, I apologize) and opinions I've backed up, with a deliberately slightly provocative style (my style). I’m aware I'm not an expert in the matter (it seems that to discuss it, one must be scientists sometimes given the complexity and difficulty of understanding such precise and delicate team mechanisms... and this also supports my thesis: it’s hard for something so complex and not "individualistic" to become popular in Italy) but I’m not completely ignorant. I keep myself informed, I've watched a few matches, I know the fundamental rules, I know who the Barbarians are, what the wooden spoon is, the Six Nations (which was five, bless them), and the Tri Nations, and I also know the World Cup roll of honor. You get me!!! But these rules are pretty complicated, huh? It's not a spectacle that's instantly accessible; you must admit that.

Regarding the individual fundamentals, even as a novice, I don't think I've said anything outrageous. These aren’t statements made to belittle rugby; on the contrary, they highlight its purely "team" nature more than any other team sport. The fundamentals are simply easier. In short, it’s one thing to run or pass a ball in a rugby way and quite another to advance in speed while controlling it with your feet, dribbling or diving and juggling... I’m talking about basic individual technique. Then strength, tactical sharpness, tactical intelligence, overall coordination... well, I think there are few comparisons; in rugby, we reach the highest evolution of these aspects. Did I say another absurdity? I don’t think so this time either. Other team sports require more complex basic techniques and movements, which subsequently turn out to be more spectacular on average. Is that blasphemy?

I don’t think this game is very popular on a national level; you can tell also from the fact that only a few know the rules. Unlike other (I won’t repeat which) truly popular sports. For them, the rules are known even among non-participants, for example. I’m pretty convinced that in England, France, South Africa, NZL, Argentina, Australia, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland (the elite of those who really love this game as "nations", you see) we will always tickle their fancy. We’ll never win a Six Nations; we don’t exist at a truly competitive level, it’s pointless to deny it. A win against any of these teams is an exceptional event. We need foreign coaches (another demonstration of the Italian culture in this matter) and even players from abroad. And we’re matched with Samoa, a nation whose population is equal to one
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Hehehehe ... it's nice to know that for you the circadian rhythm is a bizarre, quirky theory and that it matters to you as much as a pair of contact lenses for Aleandro Baldi.
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Thank you Jurix. I could have figured it was about the DTs hehehe... by the way, even my blazing hot Vic 20 is starting to have serious problems just opening this, I can almost hear its aging electronics lamenting every time I hover over these three little kids.
I fear I must go to bed now or my opponent on the squash court will do it tomorrow morning, tattooing the mark of the ball on my barely hairy butt at 3000 atmospheres.
But I'm sure I can come back from this. Noche to you too... sleepwalker???
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And now it's time for bed because tomorrow morning I have to play squash.
Good night!
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My on Italy New Zealand is only 250 ... I feel a bit like shit ... now I'm going there to leave another useless fucking comment!
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If the muffin vs paolafrancesca quarrel doesn't get resolved, the 500 is well within Jurix's reach.
But what the hell is the record?
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Know-it-all, among other things, I say that the sports that thrive most in Italian sports culture are those in which one can express (speaking of team sports) a strong individual identity. Of course, it's obvious that in any team sport, without certain mechanisms, you won't get anywhere. But in soccer (I'm using soccer as an example, but there are other sports as well), if you have the phenomenon or thanks to an "improvised" play, you can win the tournament, or even a weaker team can win a match. In rugby, this doesn't happen. The world champion England won because it was the strongest team, not because of Wilkinson, even though he is a great player, a superstar. But the specific weight of a phenomenon in the game’s economy and the final outcome is undeniably lower. Rugby is organization, coordination, and strength, perfect overall mechanisms. The individual technical baggage is less than what's needed in other disciplines, and I'm not saying this with disdain. No rugby player can ever win a match on their own; in soccer, such a statement is much truer, but also in basketball and volleyball. The basic individual technical actions in rugby, while reaching excellence, are not enough to guarantee victory; it takes the WHOLE team to cross that damn line. And if we analyze them one by one, we have running, passing backward, kicking, all seasoned with great physical strength... in short, these are not gestures that require a lot of time or innate talent to master.

And anyway, today South Africa (the world champions, right?) - no one cared about Italy. But we know, poor champions don’t have the Haka, eh no one gives a damn about them. It’s not like it was playing in glamorous Milan, who cares? And, of course, we performed terribly. Because it’s a niche sport, and unfortunately, it will remain so, because few play it in Italy, because a rugby field on the peninsula is still a rarity, and even more so to see children playing on it, and because Italians (who have a sports culture nearly close to zero) will never get excited about these courageous wardrobes. I admire them for their courage, but their feats do nothing to thrill me.

Italians are lazy, individualistic, inconsistent, selfish, but they are also clever, shrewd, sometimes genius, and capable of bursts of generosity and sacrifice when their pride is wounded. That’s why I believe (but I've probably already said this ten times) that rugby will remain relegated to those commendable provincial realities but will never rise to be "popular" in all corners of the peninsula. We will always have a pool of players that is barely more than laughable. And since we are also a people who drink everything, eighty thousand filled the Meazza. And there was even some rhetoric around this hype because, I repeat, in two hundred other sports, they don’t kill each other in the stands, and no one keeps breaking the balls to keep saying it. Because the story of the Haka is an insult to the Maoris (and many people showed up just to see that!!!), because the third half seems the minimum in a sport where unsportsmanlike conduct could be defined as "criminal code." And to top it all off, they try to pass off ogre Chabal as a sex symbol to promote rugby (oh my... still better than that faggot Beckham)!!! Jesus Christ, it really is too much, enough. All this with the utmost respect for those who truly love and practice this sport, as someone who truly loves and practices other sports. You should be the first to get pissed off about this circus. I hope I’ve been clear. It doesn't seem to me that my arguments are completely unfounded. I thank GERMS, with whom I share every single line too.