OleEinar

Mmm, << evaluate the *music >> and << make sure that other bands or singer-songwriters have NOT done similar things >>.

@muito, of course it has happened to me several times, however I am no longer 14 years old (unfortunately) and, while I don't yet have an extensive musical culture, I don't believe that at this point the knowledge of other groups could make me radically change my opinion about artists like Nick Cave. Also because I find that this very "rational" way of evaluating music is somewhat distant from my approach. In short, to appreciate Cave, I don't need to ascertain that other groups or singer-songwriters have done similar things before him and in a more radical way. I'm not sure if what I want to say is clear :-) In any case, I will listen to the groups you mentioned, also because I have been wanting to approach Einsturzende for a while. Best regards.

@Bubi, not yet but I’ve marked them down. Unfortunately, the things to catch up on are endless and free time is scarce. Sooner or later, their moment will come too.

I also have to listen to them, nice roof proposal.

Good job, it's great that you’re taking care of these things a bit neglected by DeB reviewers.

I can feel very little of the Pink Floyd psychedelia in this album. You really have a fixation with this whole experimentation thing; at least here it fits a bit better than when referring to the DT. It's an album between 4 and 5.

I can assure you that Cave is not my favorite singer-songwriter, just as Lanegan isn't; my colorful reaction was due to your striking phrase, which frankly seemed quite absurd to me when put that way. Anyway, here we mess around and rarely take things too seriously, so don’t take it personally. Well, put that way, it at least makes some sense now, but I think we evaluate things from a slightly different perspective. I'll skip the discussion on song structure because I’m not an expert, but I believe it is an irrelevant issue, at least for my way of judging. An album like "Wiskey for the Holy Ghost" contains pieces (since you don’t want to call them songs) that may be simple or bare, but the entire work is characterized by an extreme emotional tension, and I find it very lucid and, at the same time, personal and intimate. It’s an album that achieves its purpose, and for me, it matters little what the structure of the songs is. As for Cave, what can I say, "easy" and "shallow" are adjectives I would never think to use for his songs... I’ve never listened to the bands you mentioned (I’ll make up for it), but I don’t see how knowing them could make me re-evaluate Cave.

Look, with all this you still have to explain the meaning of this sentence (assuming it has one): << Lanegan has never written a real song, while Cave has never written a song that was beautiful. >> By the way, I don't think at all that "Foi Na Cruz" is the only "song" by Nick Cave; I really don't know where you got that from. Rather, say that you didn't understand and don't like the early Cave, the oppressive-claustrophobic one, which is legitimate, but that certainly doesn't give you the right to say that Cave is overrated. << Cave has never written a song (and even less so Lanegan) as beautiful as any of Tom Waits's >>, but so what? Assuming that's true, it means nothing. You can't justify the fact that an author is overrated just because another is better than him. Otherwise, I could say that all singer-songwriters are overrated because no one has ever reached the level of Tim Buckley. Well! Anyway, I didn't react like a teenager, I think you wrote a huge nonsense (especially without a shred of argumentation) and I'm letting you know, sure in a colorful way if you want, but I don't think I offended you. If it makes you happier, I can say "yes yes" like you do with crazy people and avoid wasting time.

No, I mean, have you ever listened to "Foi Na Cruz"? Or "Knockin' On Joe"? Or "Sorrow's Child"? Just to name three at random. Because if these aren't "beautiful songs," then I must be Santa Claus and I'm getting f***ed by a reindeer. Then saying that Lanegan has never written a real song is just utter nonsense. At least if you're going to throw out bold claims, provide some reasoning, but really go all out, or just say you don’t like them and leave it at that, otherwise it seems like you're just making a statement for the sake of it. Alright, I’ll go back to studying Frechet spaces, which is better. Nothing personal, but reading such enormities always has a certain effect on me...

<< I don't know this album, but in my opinion, Mark Lanegan is one of the most overrated musicians of recent years. Also, Nick Cave, in my view, is excessively praised, but the difference between Lanegan and Cave is this: Lanegan has never written a truly good song, while Cave has never written a song that was beautiful. >> What a way to start Sunday in the worst possible way. You must be feeling really bad, like really really bad.