supersoul

...talking necessarily about music

Sellami, don't get upset.... Personally, if I meet someone who tells me they prefer New Order to Joy Division, I continue to talk to them fondly without causing a dispute, but I shift the conversation to the weather or the next round of matches. There are many topics to discuss with people; it doesn't always have to be about music...

hahaha what an image you brought back to me: Hinault in the snow... just while tomorrow I have to melt away in the 40 degrees of the plateaus of Arcinazzo at the Gran Fondo di Fiuggi... Bowie? a great one, one of the most representative personalities of the '70s, but at the same time the start of that flashy and artificial rock with all the props of makeup and sequins that clashes against the idea we have (I include you in this) of authentic and natural rock from the late sixties with Dylan & the Band, Neil Young, Jimi, etc. Chris Thomas, who was the producer of Roxy Music when in 1972 he saw Bowie take the stage presenting Ziggy Stardust dressed in tight pants and silver boxing shoes, his face painted with red stripes, one blue eye and one green, and orange hair that stirred the enthusiasm of the audience even before singing, said: "It was ridiculous but it worked!"

@kosmo no intention of calling Bowie a bad Mangiafoco, we understood that his was a friendly interest towards a myth (after all, he fixed "Raw Power" from the disastrous mixing that Iggy had). We understood that in his admirable attempt (successful) to save the Iguana, he bent him to his musical wishes which were quite different from those of Iggy, who nonetheless proved to be a great performer. Today he also offers us "Les Feuilles Mortes" (ahahahaha God forgive him) as if he were Aznavour...

Yes, "Cold Metal" came to mind because the lyrics of that song say it all about Iggy, reminding him of his past in Ann Arbor "...I'm a product of America/From the morgue to the prisons/Cold metal, when I start my band/Cold metal, in my garbage can/Cold metal, gets in my blood And my attitude..."

@kosmo I was referring to those who (rightly) enjoy Iggy in the Bowie version; I see it as fake, out of his territory which was the mission "Search & Destroy." I've always said it, if he had died from a bottle to the head at the broken glass concert, we would have been facing a multiplied myth and would have spared ourselves the irony of so many kids saying that he’s on steroids (actually written like that instead of steroids...) @alessio, I don’t like music critics either, but I assure you that reading Lester Bangs is something fantastic; he’s not just a critic but one of the best American writers, someone who talks to you about his feelings on music through the drugs he was shooting up. Surely he was high as a kite on Romilar in Berlin, but I don’t believe he listened to Bowie; I remember he thought that Ziggy Stardust was some gay stuff from Aldebaran, especially since it came from someone who was afraid to get on a plane like Bowie, ahahahah. Take a look at the stalls in Piazza Dante where you can find his "Reasonable Guide to the Most Atrocious Noise" for just a few euros.

coomento 26 "the sound is still too polished and flabby, still too sixties" hahahaha but have you heard the DISSONANCES in "European Son" with Lou and Morrison derailing? Did you notice the viola that runs through "The Black Angel’s Death Song" while rock records were being made with bass-guitar-drums? Did you hear "Venus in Furs" and "All Tomorrow's Parties?" which are DARK? Did you catch the four PUNK chords of "I'm Waiting for My Man"? Did you read the lyrics of "Heroin" that reveal the other side of drugs in an era when it was believed to be the gateway to the doors of perception? Or did you stop at the pop melodies of the sixties to appease Warhol who imposed Nico? dear mike76 take the plugs out of your ears... I'm telling you this with all my heart :D

@Kosmo: a puppet? yes, a puppet in David Bowie's hands, but tell me something: how much do you think The Idiot is an Iggy Pop record and how much is it actually a David Bowie record since he wrote all the music? Or have you forgotten that "Sister Midnight" appears under another title (Red Money) on Bowie's Lodger album and that Bowie's version of "China Girl" on Let's Dance with SVR on guitar completely outshines Iggy's? Let’s be honest: Iggy Pop has nothing to do with the new wave that Bowie forced upon him. Those records might even be considered extraordinary, but Iggy was a puppet in Bowie's hands. I remember he himself, upon the release of his heaviest album ("Cold Metal" in 1988), distanced himself (I don’t know how much was due to opportunism at the time) from the new wave period. Lester Bangs, who, as popoloitaliano aptly says, is "the ultimate guru of rock criticism," stated back in 1977 that thanks to Bowie who trims Iggy's madness, "The Idiot" sounds like a FALSE record. That it sounds good is a different matter, isn't it? The real Iggy will be seen again with the sonic assault of some tracks from "New Values" in 1979, when he is left orphaned by Bowie and calls back Williamson and Scott Thurston. It may be a lesser result than the albums with Bowie, but it's the TRUE Iggy, the Iguana without the stick up his ass.

ok ok :)