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No, sorry Arnold, it's hard to explain, but it's not nonsensical. There is a "will to power" within Genesis, but also in other prog groups, who want to express it and can't. And failure is one of the saddest things in the world. I haven't made comparisons that don't matter. I know that Dylan, the first name that comes to mind, doesn't have the "power" of hundreds of other artists (even though that’s not entirely true, because a "Hurricane" played in 1979 in the streets of New York is the most "powerful" thing in the world). The fact is, I'm told that in prog I don't find anger and frustration, no lyricism, and no power either. Can you explain to me a good reason why I shouldn't erase this Genesis album (randomly)? Or buy one from Yes or ELP? P.S. Don't put words in my mouth that I've never said, because Fripp is among the top ten guitarists in history and "In the court..." is an album I love.

The threads are too many and I’ll hardly manage to tie them together. There’s a prosopeia in prog that doesn’t belong to me. A rhetoric that I find empty and insipid, like the worst political speech. Most prog groups are not political, in the true sense of the word. They sound detached, in their ivory tower, distant from what happens in the world. If at some point someone realizes it, from Waters to punk, there must be a reason. Or are they all idiots or what? This detachment from the people, I’ve said it before, has always seemed to me like onanism. And here, excuse me, I quote Coltrane, who said that jazz musicians play for themselves and not for the audience. And that’s the feeling I’ve always had with prog. Then, in the background, I always have "Wind and Wuthering"; guys, it’s not always necessary for rock’n’roll to express feelings of anger and frustration ("angst" if we want to be cultured). But, like, this album: I can't distinguish any difference between the molasses of Pausini and Genesis (and down come the insults, and you don’t understand a damn thing). But Tim Buckley is lyrical, not Yes, Drake and not Genesis, powerful Fugazi, not ELP, Wagner and not... just throw in a random name.

@Senmayan: you see, just because I don't have a limited little brain like yours, that doesn't mean I don't know about music, but I know about logical analysis, you don’t understand a thing. I just dared to ask the kind reviewer how she manages to listen to both things, because I can't. It was just curiosity, because I'm always willing to learn. And finally, saying that I don't like prog doesn’t imply any judgment about its listeners. As they say: if millions of flies are eating shit, they must have some reason for it.

Sure, Arnold, Collins' molasses voice, the sugary keyboards, the guitars doubling the keyboards and the doubled vocals to create a sense of power that isn't there otherwise (10 seconds of Iggy on stage are more "powerful" than any piece by Genesis) are not musical notes. They are inventions.

@Oleinar. So, it’s not a matter of taste. It’s a matter of: rock'n'roll was born as a three-minute ditty. Then obviously someone says: should we change it, evolve it? Jimi, the Doors, the Velvet, the Grateful, etc. But people go to concerts and have fun; the bands dive off the stage, everyone wants to change the world. Then these guys come along, and what do they do? They create twenty-minute pieces, full of variations, to show how smart and talented they are. And they have nothing to do with the audience anymore because they just want to showcase how good they are. And indeed, technically they are. Not enough, however, to be classical musicians. And so, they all end up frustrated. Waters, who isn’t an idiot, even made an album that many consider very important. Then someone else wakes up and says, "Hey, but rock'n'roll can be played by any idiot." And it’s true: don’t think you need special technique to play it; it’s fundamentally stupid music. Those who try to pass it off as Beethoven are just the biggest idiots. It’s energy, anger, frustration. Stuff that in prog, four rich kids who went to art schools and spent their days studying their instruments, don’t have. Did I make myself clear?

Like the worst Marxists, Arnold, you either don't want to discuss or you take one line out of five. That was the conclusion; you can't counter the previous notes about music. So you cling to something else. Since you've already cut off the conversation before without any analytical ability, because you are nothing but a pasdaran of prog, do me a favor, go to Iran to listen to the magnificent Phil Collins and leave it at that.

@Mariyg: it doesn't seem to me to be a matter of hate. I think I've explained to you the reasons why, musically speaking, I find absolutely nothing of the Genesis in the Sonic. Then, if you want to move to the level of feelings, I can say very little. It's a matter too subjective. However, the feelings that the Sonic give me are: nervousness, tension, anguish, a pause after the storm, a journey, etc. None of this I find in the Genesis.

@ Oleinar. It's definitely childish. But have you ever tried to discuss with these prog faithists? You try to explain to them why prog sucks and the only thing they reply is that you don't understand jack. There's never a dialectic on the objections raised. So, in the end, I embrace my inner punk and say it's crap. And let that be the end of it.

Dear Bellach, first of all, you’re an asshole. What do you want me to waste grand phrases on when you can’t understand a single one? I was discussing the album with Blackdog, not the review. Anyway, I’m calm today: MLF is speaking well of this album. I don’t think there’s any need to add anything else. You’re in very good company. Have fun with him.

P.S.: Mudhoney are not metal, they are garage! And I have to lower your grade.