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I quote Bjorky: when it comes to the crushing of balls, she is second only to Pausini. However, as I've already said, she is a personal sexual perversion of mine. Ekisa has always seemed to me like a poor man's Analis. And with the annoyance of Caselli's productions, which, in terms of detrimental effects on Italian music, are second only to those of Cecchetto. The power of money...and connections, and intrigues, and powers (Caselli managed to get her protégés to win the Sanremo Festival for three or four consecutive years, including the infamous Jalisse (is that how it’s spelled?)). The acting, however, is not poorly written.

Great review. Oh, why are there so few DeBaserists who write so well and talk about underrated albums that, however, speak to the soul? Better the sixth review of the new SP? Thank you, every now and then this oasis, in this African heat, full of flies, mosquitoes, and, sourtout, merde, is appreciated (at least by me).

Hey black, what are you still doing around? Aren't you with Mario listening to the latest enchanting SP? And how's it going with Arianna? Any progress? Damn, I think if you were wrong about Chivu too, you won't make it by Christmas. Oh, call me first so we can have a proper matriciana. :-)

I'm sorry Alessio, but that's not true either. I always avoid insulting other DeBaseristi because, I may not understand a damn thing, but I have respect. If someone insults me, you can't expect me to stay silent. Go read my posts: there's always someone, before me, who says I'm talking nonsense, bullshit, and so on. Oh no, it doesn't work that way. One can certainly stick to their own opinions without insulting the thoughts of others.

Larrok, you are perfectly right in the content. The problem here is different. That you have to call someone an asshole, ignorant, or an idiot for any musical divergence. And this is no longer tolerable. So, I only took the liberty of pointing out that you can't label the reviewer as a fool when he has, formally, used the correct term. After that, Mr. Alessioiride keeps claiming that I make stupid comparisons (tell me what's stupid about simply pointing out that any record label and any band makes albums to sell them and not to throw them away), and then I spout nonsense. So thanks for the personal attacks. And now I’ll start too: saying that the Arctic Monkeys would have been kicked out after their first shitty album by EMI is one of the biggest loads of crap I have heard in the last ten years. Because Mr. Alessioiride thinks the world revolves around him. Yet, since the Arctic's first album sold over two million copies and was the highest-selling album in the history of English music in its first week of release, those at EMI would have been sucking up to the Arctic Monkeys. Far from kicking them out. Because all they care about is making money (like Domino, eh, no one denies that).

Oh well then, it’s Alessioiride who decides whether a label is indie or major. Tomorrow we’ll see if we’re in a Republic or in a Monarchy. Next winter whether the snow is white or black. But do you realize that you’re the one calling people ignorant when you’ve simply made a mistake? What’s so hard about saying: I used the wrong term, sorry? There are four majors: Warner, EMI, Sony, Universal. The Arctic Monkeys were offered a million pounds to sign with a major, that is, EMI. They said no. They signed with an indie, Domino. Which, according to Alessioiride, isn’t an indie because it has a catalog he doesn’t like. And he wants to sell records. In fact, Mirko from Wallace, just to talk about an enlightened figure in the Italian indie scene, doesn’t make records to sell them. No, he makes them so that nobody listens to them, to fail and not be able to make them anymore. I think everyone would prefer the independence of Dischord over that of Domino, and that’s not even up for debate, since Dischord tries to charge listeners as little as possible for records. But this has nothing to do with what has been discussed so far. Given that you’re right, go to England and abolish the indie charts because Domino and the Arctic, according to your ineffable opinion, aren’t indie. Let’s see what they say to you.

Ommadonna, sorry Alessio, but you're stubborn :-). The fact that Domino is independent and not a major is not my opinion, but a fact. It’s like saying that Coca Cola is a multinational or that England is in Europe. You’re the one with opinions here. We’re discussing a fact: if you go to England, where the term indie was invented, and ask any English person if the Arctic Monkeys are indie, they will say yes. I think you, and also Ghemison, confuse the term alternative: but those are two different things. Now, all the groups you mentioned will be more or less alternative compared to the Arctic Monkeys, that is indeed a matter of opinions. But you cannot call the reviewer ignorant when they used the term "indie," which is correct for the Arctic Monkeys. This also applies to Fenni: being ironic is pointless; Dischord is an independent label just like Domino. I can prefer Fugazi too, but that has nothing to do with the term indie.

Oh my God, Alessio... it doesn't seem that complicated to me. When independent record labels emerged to give some visibility to smaller bands, which were, from a certain point of view, the best, but lacked the sponsorship of major labels, the indie chart was invented. Only bands that record for independent labels can participate. So, you are indie if you record for Rough Trade, Domino, Warp, not if you record for Sony, WEA, etc. Now it may also be the case that today's indie labels are not what they used to be (Domino has the best of British pop in its catalog and makes billions of dollars). That doesn't change the fact that it is not a major and that any band recording for it is considered indie. So, the Arctic Monkeys are both at the top of the official chart and the indie chart. Therefore, calling them indie, as the reviewer did, is technically correct, and you can't attack him for that. Just as correct as it is wrong for me to talk about billions instead of millions of euros.

Well, I'm sorry for everyone, but the examples given are still incorrect: at a certain point both Dinosaur and SY went from two independents (SST and Blast First) to two majors (Wea and Geffen). So they might have still been the leading representatives of alternative music, but they were certainly no longer indie. Which is still the case for Fugazi. I'm sorry, but you're the ones who are wrong. If I defend the reception, it's solely because you've attacked it over something that is indeed right. When the Arctic decide to make billions with Sony, only then will they no longer be indie. Period and stop.

Macchecazzo: it’s not a matter of intelligence, rob de mat! It’s a matter of calling things by their proper names. But excuse me, do they call you French? Indie no longer indicates a contraction of independent? Since when? Did you decide that? Look, if you go to England, the Arctic Monkeys are always at the top of the indie charts just because they record for Domino. That’s how it works. I can’t do anything about it. And not because I’m not intelligent, but because you are ignorant.