cptgaio

For the sake of the record (otherwise they'll throw it back at me), I was the one who brought up the term "qualunquista" and no one (at least it seems to me) among the other interlocutors has done so, and it refers to the fact that it is the most common adjective I hear repeated (only in deB, to be honest; elsewhere it’s different... it’s not a criticism of the Site, just an observation) towards those who hold views similar to mine, but I believe that someone has given it some thought, more or less ;-)

By the way, now that I see the incriminating sentence is in response to a comment from Telespalla, he should have gotten angry if it's ever possible to get upset over a phrase like "The more I move forward, the more that certain rhetoric of blaming all the mess on one side makes me smile, that's all."

@Supersoul: I repeat that I didn’t mean to label you as rhetorical (or whatever else) and I don’t know what else to say to confirm it: if you prefer to think of it that way, feel free. As for specks and beams, I am well aware that I too am well-stocked in them, just like humanity (of which DeB is an expression) in general. Today it may have happened to me to stumble upon such a flaw, has it ever happened to you? (if you wish, there's no need to respond).

@Tele: it is obvious that man obeys two instincts (the "mass" instinct and the "individualist" instinct): the point is that both have their flaws but also enormous virtues (both things are so evident that I don’t even need to provide examples), and the fact that various societies typically face issues (which change according to specific cultures but ultimately always respond to those two principles above) stemming from these factors is more than normal. What I can’t understand, however, about Italian society specifically, is the exaltation of "bad civic behavior" (let's call it that, with a simplistic term) as a source of pride (the glorification of Italian cunning?) rather than recognizing it as a trend that ultimately worsens life for everyone. My question is “Is there a reason why we have a prime minister who glorifies any possible incorrect civic behavior?” Are Italians stupid? Are we sure? Isn’t it rather the case that the average Italian is more similar to Silvietto than one might want to admit? And look, I see many little "Berlusconis" even among workers, housewives, and so on—many, many, countless. The truth is that we are a nation of resentful individuals, ready to slander (behind their backs, let's remember, never to their faces; in fact, to their faces, we often kiss ass) the powerful of the moment, but then we are even worse with those who are weaker than us. I don’t want to be misunderstood; I’m not talking about anyone in particular among those who have intervened on this page, but in general terms, I've seen far too many pure and tough individuals become servants of power (and bury their inconvenient past) and mistreat those whom they once, in "intentions" (?), defended in order to still believe in ideology as a driving force. It’s only hunger that drives the average Italian: hunger for various things, more or less "physical," if that makes sense.

Bob, thank you, but "mistake" and "rhetoric" (like "qualunquismo" and other similar terms) are, even if one thinks otherwise, subjective, and I take them for what they are. If they appear to be such to my two interlocutors, I accept that. Then, in real life, in my small way, with my limits and flaws, and in my own way, which fortunately is shared by many (we would all be rhetorical and in error, what can I say...), I strive to improve things from the ground up. My trust is that everyone else, including my interlocutors, does the same (and it is genuine trust; I am not being ironic).

Ps: I didn't want to "argue" with her either, in fact now that I think about it, she was the one who spoke to me first... but I might be wrong again...

I used the term "fine" and I also included a "strange pair" to make it clear that it can be debatable (depending on various sensitivities). The vulgarity I was referring to (and to which I opposed the term "fine", indeed) is the one, for example, of simulating a dinner based on m....., and as far as I know, Grillo (whom I don’t particularly adore; I brought him up because he seemed comparable) has never done that. Then, from the standpoint of pure comedy, Grillo seems more imaginative to me (or at least he was), while Luttazzi is quite predictable and overly citation-oriented. That's all.

@Supersoul: dear one, I don’t recall having called you pleonastic or rhetorical; I was expressing my personal viewpoint on a now-common practice of dividing society into watertight compartments, and the term “rhetoric” referred to that. Nonetheless, if you say so, it must be true that I was (rhetorical and pleonastic), only I repeat, in my opinion, the issues also start from the bottom, and a bit of civic education from those (lower) places would surely help improve things. Regarding the matter of courtesy, it is due, believe me—don’t be surprised. Then you will be surprised: but I have also seen altruistic rich people.

between "fascio" and "condannare" remove the accent from that "e", please.

I don't believe that there is only black and white, that's all. Otherwise, it wouldn't explain why the majority of workers now vote for PDL or Lega. Generalizing and condemning anyone who spends a lot of money on a concert (and I have already explained that I am not in a position to give an "ethical" point of view) seems a bit exaggerated to me. There are many ways to harm the community, and many are within reach even of the less wealthy classes. For the record, I am very poor.