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Ps: SHERMANOAKS: now that I'm reading your last post more carefully, I realize that you really didn't understand the point of what I was saying (and it seems to me that at this point you haven't understood Fusillo's point either, given the heavy attacks) so it’s better if we just wrap it up here because I don't want to keep repeating things endlessly.

@SHERMANOAKS: post the exact page where you found that data (maybe specifying whether it’s evidence brought by the prosecution or judgments filed with the rationale: you know it changes the conversation...) and we can discuss it. I posted the reasoning of the judgment; this is a fact (if you want, I can also share the page explaining the issue of the percentage variation of some values in the blood test). As for Indurain, I repeat (among other things, I'm not defending him blindly; I've already told you I was rooting for someone else), you are bringing conjectures and not objective evidence (there is none, so...). I haven't glossed over the issue of the non-existence of controls at all (I even gave a brief history of the circumstance in post 59, if I remember correctly). I know well that doping is a practice that very few, in cycling but also in other sports, can claim to be innocent; the point is whether you get caught or not (Pantani did, Indurain didn't... that's the end of the discussion). The issue is that it's 4-5 posts where you insist on fan-like conjectures; I provided you with data and references (by the way, regarding glossing over, I could return the Pantani "gentleman" argument back to you, considering I also provided you with sources there). If you want to respond to those, that's fine (maybe trying not to shift the goalposts of the conversation to unrelated matters); otherwise, I’d say we can leave the reviewer alone. @Lupin: look, as a non-Juventino, I could tell you that the scandal is that football exists as it does now (and it’s absolutely not only Juventus's fault but also that of many others), but that would really go off-topic. I would invite you, however, not to confuse fact and conjecture (the embarrassment of a witness is not a fact; a judgment filed is). Among other things, I believe I specified in my previous post that Giraudo and Agricola were acquitted due to prescription (but regarding drug abuse, not regarding EPO intake: that has never been proven), so I don't understand this controversy. Take care.

Ps: of course, if you have different data and sources, I am ready to discuss it.

In reality, in the doping process involving Juventus, the variations in hematocrit have never been quantified (there are discussions of percentage changes in values from the hemogram, but there have never been any quantifications; in fact, the ruling for Giraudo and Agricola, which was one of acquittal but due to the statute of limitations on the crime, mentions "illegal administration of drugs, within the framework of a 'criminal plan' aimed at altering the sports results through the crime of fraud. However, the use of erythropoietin was not proven"), with this I do not want to justify anything, I just want to point out that when citing data, it is important to be precise, and anyway, the media bam bam against Juventus certainly existed, perhaps not from Le Iene but from generalist and specialist media (at levels, if not higher, than that which Pantani faced). However, these are details (like the episodes of Indurain in Ferrara that you mention, for which there is no official or unofficial confirmation). The most important thing that emerges from your comment, SHERMANOAKS, is that you suffer from that fan syndrome that you pointed out to me a few comments ago: Did Pantani say things clearly? When did that ever happen? He shut himself away in silence for months and months, which only worsened the situation. I repeat, aside from the human aspect for which compassion is due, from a sporting perspective, Pantani is unjustifiable. He was then and he is now, except that back then the tones were excessively exaggerated and now they are deficient.

Actually, the questions revolved around his blood values and not on Epo itself; however, everyone sees it as they wish.

Certo, invia pure il testo e procederò con la traduzione.

Never attracted much.

Ps: then there are the exceptions, obviously: but this is not the case.

Down, with all the affection I can have for you, you are wrong about Kosmogabri (I didn't want to get involved in your matters, but since you brought it up...) and, if I were you, I would put the discussion to rest once and for all. Other than that, I believe that likes and dislikes are such personal matters that if I started to lose respect for Tizio because he respects someone I can't stand, my (real) life would have complications I really don't need. No hard feelings. Bye.

Just to clarify for dear Fusillo, Pantani was never found positive for doping but was stopped (because that rule was in place at the time) for 15 days for a hematocrit level over 50% (it was around 55-56 if I’m not mistaken; humanly, the maximum tolerable percentage is around 52%). In theory, he could have returned after a couple of weeks: he didn’t due to the media campaign unleashed against him, due to his own fragility, and probably because he knew he had crossed a line (that hematocrit level is unnatural: it was obvious he had resorted to Epo). That rule existed because at the time there was still no laboratory test capable of detecting Epo (and pharmaceutical companies were not willing to put a marker in the products for sale), so the UCI (Union Cycliste Internationale), in agreement with WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency), devised this workaround to have a "weapon" to start curbing the Epo phenomenon. That said, I have already explained my position on this and will not go into further detail, except to reiterate that I know Malaparte very well (perhaps I don’t want to "discuss it," as if it were possible to do so, with the reviewer: who might, before whining, consider all the off-topic, indeed purely spam, useless comments left over the years by him, either in his main account or with one of his multiple insulting fakes, on this site). Take care.