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Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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Point 1 and 2: Well, we are on a page dedicated to Mazzucco's "documentary," so this is the point of comparison. Altissimo has written convincing, objective, and well-documented debunking articles about the footage in question, so likewise.
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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@Pixies: it's Polidoro, and the book is edited by him, not written by him; the authors are various. I'll respond to your points in several posts for convenience.
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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@Pixies: you will forgive me if I don't answer every single one of your questions about the event (which would pose interesting and contradictory issues if they hadn't already been established as urban legends) because, besides being many in the book and in the links I've posted here, I think you'll find everything you need. However, if you want, you can read this, which is a thorough and objective analysis of the "documentary" in question: Inganno My intention is not to dismiss you, but I seriously believe I have provided all the useful information on the topic. What I find curious and want to ask you (not to stir controversy but because you are my direct interlocutor at this moment) is why conspiracy theorists are never asked for objective evidence for their claims (try to find a single source referred to in Mazzucco's video that isn't false, altered, or distorted) and yet there is a tendency to accept their claims as credible while those who refute them are asked for even the most insignificant detail? (Curious, isn't it? True without evidence in the first case and false until proven otherwise in the second: a bit biased as an attitude). For example (but we could also discuss other conspiracy theories like the one claiming that contrails from airplanes aren't produced by them but are actually chemical substances being dispersed for military purposes: something Mazzucco, among others, claims), you tell me, "as for the too many errors of the conspiracy, I remind you that we're talking about enormous facts." And I calmly reply, sure, they are enormous facts, but, excuse me, shouldn't the fact that those who hold certain claims are continuously caught making mistakes raise some suspicion after a while? Instead, you continue to give credit to those who refute them, not only asking for more and more but even proof of the proof, and so on ;-).

I will answer your question about the "target" of terrorism, but first, let me clarify something about the topic: do you really think that in the Twenty-First Century, in a country like the U.S.A., killing the president and vice president would be enough to decapitate the entire system? Absolutely not; there are alternatives in power vacuums for certain events almost everywhere (in the U.S., but I could be mistaken since the assassination of Lincoln). Anyway, aside from that, while there are definitely dark sides (but not those "unveiled" by Mazzucco or other conspiracy theorists), it is obvious to say that there is no single type of terrorist act (and in Italy, unfortunately, we are experts), and each should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. September 11 cannot be compared to anything else, just as the Bologna bombing cannot. But sticking to the field you've gone into, I could ask you: what about London and Madrid? Why not target Charles or Felipe (the two heirs...) or even the kings, or the Prime Ministers? Is that a conspiracy too? Because if it were true, it wouldn't just be a whole nation conspiring... it would be the whole world... do we really want to believe that the U.S. government has corrupted thousands of witnesses, hundreds of investigators (both official and independent), forged thousands of pieces of evidence (all conspiracy theories have been debunked on this topic), and terrible things to involve directly or indirectly masses of people with five-digit numbers? And if it were, two issues: A) A plan that colossal would then be caught so naively by "directors" who most of the time have never directly seen a witness, an evidence, or a location (Mazzucco had never been to the Pentagon at the time of the first edition of the "documentary")... what fools... B) But is it possible that in seven and a half years, in this mass of conspirators, no deep throat has ever surfaced? I would reflect on these questions. Goodbye.
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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You don't have a clear understanding of the historical events in Indochina, honestly, and of the causes and contributing factors of the American intervention (a direct consequence of the "colonial handover" between the French and Americans in that area). I think you might be a bit confused about other historical events as well; I would encourage you to look deeper into them, but it seems that you care little because your confidence in distinguishing between good and bad makes me think of a very closed mentality. No problem for me, though! I'm certainly not the one who wants to give lessons to others, but I'm fairly sure that you are judging based on fairly superficial concepts. If that's fine with you, no problem, but, and I say this honestly, you're missing out. Bye.
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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Americans have engaged in colonialism (if not always directly) indeed: think of Latin America and the various dictators they propped up, think that by the end of World War II they practically replaced the French in Indochina (does the Vietnam War ring a bell?) creating endless chaos, think of Laos, Cambodia. You talk about monsters; on what basis do you determine that someone is a monster? The U.S. is the only country in the world that has used (and twice) the atomic bomb against another country (which was on the brink of disaster, I remember) and yet they worry if Iran has the bomb? When it has been established since the Cold War that the Atomic Bomb is merely a deterrent? Those who know me on this site are aware that I am not anti-American at all, but appreciating its cultural and popular forms does not exempt one from condemning its foreign policy and that of its administrations. Unfortunately, most of the pacifists I know are not credible because they are usually biased as they support one faction or the other when the real answer, when George W. asked for help for the various invasions, was, quoting Odifreddi who in turn paraphrased a distinguished newspaper during the Years of Lead, to say "Neither with the Americans, nor with the Terrorists." Do you remember anyone saying that? When the missiles are launched, there’s little to applaud, and I hear too many people around me doing just that. So I repeat: who is the real monster?
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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@Trota or whoever you are :-): my ego hasn't been inflating lately. Is that a problem? ;-)
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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Well, fundamentalism and integralism arise because there are popular issues: poverty, hunger, and ignorance (in the sense of ignoring diversity, which results from these). To understand why Hamas was born or why Iran is still (almost) a theocratic republic, one should ask those who allowed those peoples to live in degrading conditions, and fundamentally, the answer lies in European colonialism of the 19th century (and before). Therefore, the real monsters are probably to be found at home, and not in Tehran, Gaza, Pyongyang, Khartoum, etc. The Middle Eastern problem originates from the same issue (I won’t delve into British colonial history because I think, and I hope, we all know it; I mention the British because they were in the Holy Land—it's not that the others are innocent, you know...). Saying that the problems would be solved by ousting current dictators is simplistic because the problems will resolve when the West takes its responsibilities and helps/lets (yes, European-style colonialism still exists; it just has different dynamics now) those peoples live in humane conditions. Perhaps then things will change. One thing I am sure of is that Israel should understand that terms like "Chosen People" and "Promised Land" should never be used again. I would venture to say that we are all guilty, and maybe we really are. Anyway, it’s not the first time I've caught you supporting certain aberrations or asserting them; a piece of advice: change.
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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"SPOT | Date: 24/1/2009 20:0 | Rating: — | Film Rating: —
The debunker doesn't care about being right, but about seeming to be right."
PS: Neither this nor that because it's not a matter of being right, but of having a critical, objective, and scientific approach to things and seeking the truth, not building it the way our mental anxieties would like it to be, and then, as they say in Naples, the reason belongs to fools, so I'll gladly leave it to you. Happy?
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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No one is asking you to believe it, no one says that there is a given truth. Here it is stated that all conspiracy theories are contradictory, false, and scientifically illogical. I brought you the facts, what about you? Do yourself a favor and stop reciting the "little manual" of the conspirator; you would look much better, and around here we know certain pathetic tricks... what does anthrax have to do with it now? Once again, you show that you’re grasping at straws without bringing serious arguments to the topic at hand, considering that the few you had I've already thoroughly dismantled. We are in a democracy; you are free to believe what you want and even to let yourself be fooled by whoever you want. Take care, darling!
Massimo Mazzucco 11 settembre 2001: Inganno Globale
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At the end of the last sentence, there should be a "?", of course...