Aquarius27

Well, I don’t agree, for me there’s also No Code!

the only job of the PJ that I truly enjoyed. With all due respect to you.

I agree with Viceroy, but how often is that No code disc underestimated?!

for me Vs. the absolute peak of PJ... but up to No Code included, they are all five stars anyway

Oh, I prefer Binaural. To the peace of your masterpieces.

Yes, I also liked Binaural, unlike Riot Act and Yield which I found to be terribly flat.

I've never listened to Yield and Riot Act, and to be honest, I'm not very tempted to. On the other hand, I'm more interested in the latest album, if only to hear how they've evolved since I completely abandoned them.

I really like Yield, Binaural too... Riot Act is a bit weak.

Well, I gave a listen (distractedly, I admit) to the latest one; the point is, I struggle to see an evolution in the Pearl Jam of the post-No Code era. Someone referred to the last album as "reheated soup," and I fear they might be very close to the mark.

Well, you know, someone who has soaked up all the PJ albums feels the reheated soup, while I, who haven’t listened to an album since Binaural, might hear something new.
In short, while you guys were eating the soup, I was still on the croutons! :-)

Look, anyway, after Binaural (and before the latest one), I only listened to Riot Act; I don’t even know a single note from Pearl Jam and Backspacer, you know.

Ah, you too, crostini?

more or less :)

No Code is undoubtedly great, but not comparable to "Ten," "Vs," and "Vitalogy" itself...

After these 4 albums, I believe the only albums that deserve more than one listen (for those who aren't exactly die-hard fans of the band) are "Yield" and "Backspacer"... Then again, de gustibus, everyone has their own preferences!

I'll share my thoughts: up to and including Binaural, I still find them to be great stuff. I'm not very familiar with the subsequent ones; some I like, while others excite me less. Moreover, you're overlooking that gem of two songs that is Merkin Ball, even though theoretically it could easily fit with No Code. The general impression is that Eddie has recently given his best with the soundtrack of Into The Wild.

I don't think it comes out defeated at all; in some ways, it's the opposite. Given the evolution of this and the previous one compared to the first two, I think it's Yield that comes out defeated in comparison to the first four. Instead, I find Binaural a really great album.

It's not easy to compare the first three with this one, which is ultimately just different, a unique chapter in the history of the PJs. The real decline, in my opinion, will come with the post-Binaural phase, and to find a work that can stand up to the first four, one will have to wait for the OST of Into The Wild.

They never drove me crazy. But I really liked "Vitalogy." This follows closely... even though I liked it much less. After this, they could very well have put their instruments on the shelf...

And in any case, as I have often written, for me their peak is "Vitalogy."

Maybe from the definition it wasn't clear what I meant... I say that No Code is a really great album (and the rating I gave is there to prove it), but in my opinion it's inferior to the first three... After No Code they had a noticeable decline in songwriting, and I think we all agree, but Yield is still decent and contains some nice songs... After Yield they objectively released albums below average, then "Mad" if for you Binaural is a good record, that's your choice, I mean tastes are tastes, but objectively it's a bit lacking.

@[Aquarius27] no, it was perfectly clear what you wanted to say, you consider it inferior to the first ones, I don’t, and I wanted to write that. Regarding Binaural that "tastes are tastes but objectively it's a bit lacking," well, I could respond that instead "objectively" Yield is a bit lacking, and I would be talking nonsense because there’s nothing "objective" in music, it’s always about tastes, just as you wrote, even if right after you said the opposite :D

Since when can you tag someone in a comment?? Anyway, I'm not the only one who thinks this way... Sometimes I've stumbled upon blogs or nonsense like that where people talk about one album or another... Many had the same thought as me, namely that "Yield" is the last "decent" album before some so-so albums... Now, I'm not saying that just because I read on a blog that some people shared my opinion means I'm right, but I just want to point out that many of us think like this... For me, "Binaural" is the worst album (even though that’s a bit of a strong word when talking about music) of the band, but that's my opinion which you can rightly find wrong... But satisfy my curiosity, you say that "Code" is not inferior to the earlier ones, so for you, is it on the same level as "Ten" or "Vitalogy"??

But look, they could all think like you, that doesn't change the fact that for me Yield is mediocre and Binaural is not. As for No Code, I consider it superior to "Ten" and inferior to "Vitalogy."

Mmmm even superior to Ten.... I don't quite agree, but "respect" for your opinions...

Yes, I know you don't agree, as does the vast majority of those who follow them (or have followed them); "Ten" is considered by almost everyone to be their peak, but it has never driven me crazy (let's be clear, it's a good album for me too, though) and I consider the next three albums an important evolution compared to the debut, both in terms of songwriting, sound, and openness to other directions.

As luck would have it, the two least original and most classic albums are more oriented towards Hard-Rock or Heavy '70/'80. I had no doubt that you preferred them to the early days of Nirvana and Soundgarden, knowing your tastes. Quite the opposite for me; AIC only started to grow on me after Pearl Jam's debut, which never did much for me even though their albums are, all in all, a pleasant listen. "Bleach," however, is easily my favorite Nirvana album, and Soundgarden's debut is a great album for me. But we’re both pretty ignorant about "Seattle," still stuck on these four bands and there are so many more that at least I would like to explore.

Of course, "Bleach" and "Ultramega Ok" are both great albums, but the latter one doesn't really appeal to me; rather, for me, the "Sound" starts to get serious from "Louder..". Meanwhile, "Bleach" is the dirtiest of the "Nirvana" albums and perhaps the one that can most be defined as "Grunge", and over time I've learned to appreciate it more (at first, I really didn't like it), but my favorite(s) remain "Nevermind" and "Unplugged".... As for the "Pearl Jam", it starts off incredibly with the trio "Ten", "Vs", and "Vitalogy"... then there are decent albums that aren't bad but not particularly great either... listenable... Regarding the Seattle scene, I'm starting to research other bands, and I'm about to listen to "Mudhoney" soon... Over time, I will also check out the other bands...

They never drove me crazy, but I used to put this on often in the car. Maybe I should give the successors another listen. As for the rest, I much prefer both Facelift and Ultramega OK (I'm very attached to the former, while I'm obsessed with the latter, as I have a sickness for Soundgarden). It's still an album that I really like!

the debut album by Truly, Fast stories..from kid coma!

The quality of the tracks on Ten is very high; I can't say the same for the production, which "tames" the sounds a bit too much (I'm talking about the original edition, not the redux). For this reason, I much prefer Vs. and Vitalogy (to talk about the early albums), where, in addition to the excellent quality of the songs, there is also a more raw production that, in my opinion, is consistent with the nature of the tracks. Among the four illustrious bands from Seattle, my favorite debut is Bleach.

The most beautiful album by Pearl Jam as far as I'm concerned; as always, I can share my concert experience, and then I close my eyes. And in June, I believe it was the 17th, of 1992, I find myself at City Square in Milan (a place that, unfortunately, like too many others in the Lombard metropolis, no longer exists); it's incredibly hot, and the venue is packed with sweaty, smoking bodies. The first notes of "Alive" start (but maybe it was "Even Flow," though it doesn't really matter to me) and it's total delirium with an then long-haired Eddie stirring us in the front rows as we shake like madmen. And how Dave pounds on the drums; and how Stone, Mike, and Jeff work their magic!!! One of the most alive, intense, raw, wild concerts of my endless career. A band I've always listened to in all their subsequent albums, and in my opinion, they've aged very well... PORCH...

5 stars for life... visceral! I consider it better than Ten : )

For me it’s easy, the best is Vitalogy :D

The first three are all 5 stars... Vitalogy contains what I consider to be the most beautiful song by the band; "Corduroy"...

True, sometimes I prefer it too, it's more raw. But shall we talk about No Code?

No Code is vastly underrated; we should be talking about the "first 4," not the "first 3."

Personally, I consider "No Code" a good album, but not entirely exceptional... It has fantastic songs within it, with "Off He Goes" standing out above all, but I appreciate "Yield" more than "No Code"....

Off he goes, but also Who u are, Red mosquito, In my trees, Smile, really very inspired pieces in the songwriting that have nothing to envy, in my opinion, to the tracks from the first three, on the contrary. I think it’s underrated because in that album they changed their sound quite a bit (even in Vitalogy, which for me remains, I repeat, their best, you find a desire to distance themselves from the first two, but it still retains a sound more closely tied to grunge). With Yield, however, for me, the troubles begin with them, especially due to a compositional vein that is not exactly at its peak (Binaural, in my opinion, is already better).

I partially agree with you, Mad... in the first part I almost entirely agree... But when it comes to Binaural being better than Yield, no... at least for me, the second is superior to the first... by quite a bit too...

No Code deserves five stars just like the first three albums; in my opinion, Present Tense is among the compositional peaks of the band, both musically and in terms of lyrics—truly a gem. My personal ranking is as follows: Vs., Vitalogy, Ten, No Code, Yield, Binaural, Pearl Jam, Riot Act, Backspacer, Lightning Bolt.

"Backspacer" placed there at the end, but come on... I really like it a lot... It's too underrated in my opinion!!!

I actually like it a lot too, but in all the ones I prefer, I manage to find some great tracks labeled "Pearl Jam." In Backspacer and Lightning Bolt, however, I have the impression that the band is "going along" a bit too much with the path taken by Eddie Vedder starting from Into The Wild (which is wonderful, by the way). In Backspacer, for example, the best songs, in my opinion, are Just Breathe and The End, which very much follow the "Vedderian" path, as if the band had set itself aside a bit, but of course, that's just my feeling.

Yes, well obviously Aquarius is a matter of taste, neither really drives me crazy anyway. I also listened to Rioct act, which was a big disappointment (I am mine made me hope for something much better). I completely gave up on the last three, so I can't say anything (I tried to listen to something from the latest one, and the feeling was really that of a reheated soup).

Oh yes, poor thing, just four or five platinum records and six or seven reissues, more than a year on the charts, over a year of touring... nobody cared about him, and that’s how they turned to Punk to sell a bit more, and they recorded The Wall with Malcom McLaren.

Dogs always takes me to another dimension, among my favorite Floyd songs. Concept, artwork, lyrics and subtexts, music, arrangements, production...everything is beautiful, this album is also history.

Eh, but if Syd Barrett had been on this record...

Eh, if only Brian Jones had been on this record...

actually quite reassessed over the years, it remains one of their best, in my opinion

Oh, but if Freddie Mercury had been there.

Eh, but if Peter Hammill had been on this record...

COOL!

Did someone call me?

if I had been there on this record!

I would have bought vacation stuff with the money I earned. In fact, how much stuff I would have gotten on vacation with the money I earned.

Eh, but if the state made more records...

Well, too much drugs are circulating in the clubs...

Eh, but damn, high girl already halfway done...

Well, back when there was the lira, we hooked up twice as much and spent half as much...

It's true that there's too much going on in the clubs; it's a real problem. It should just stay still and stop moving around; trying to keep up with it is a real mess.

"Be careful in club Z, they might put drugs in your drink!"
"Maybe, mom, with how much it costs..."

What the hell, you had to hold the bottle tight, otherwise they would steal it from you. In fact, I would take it straight on my tongue to avoid mistakes. Pulling it was madness; you had to be extremely careful with the quantity, otherwise, your eyes would spin.

And the eyes are nothing, just think when your ears start ringing!

Just the first minute of "Pigs (Three Different Ones)" would be enough to reach ecstasy without the use of drugs. Waters is angry and cynical just the right amount.

True! Great gig in the sky from pAlle d'oca with every listen!

What are goose balls like?

hahaha now I've realized the mistake :D... but the meaning is clear anyway :)

I don't know about the tracks from pElle d'oca, he has that too because it's a beautiful record. Instead, The Wall gives me goosebumps... Two goosebumps like that...

Oh, was it a mistake? It was beautiful. 'Great Gig In The Sky' gives me goosebumps, it sounds like the goose that has goosebumps on its balls (but then it's a gander, or has it changed sex). A Dodo?

You know, I can't stand The Wall much either, but then I find myself listening to whole parts of it and I think it's gotten better over time. I remember well when it came out, the day after in the gambling den under the school everyone was pissed off, Animals was generally liked a lot (I adore it) but this crap called Brick In The Wall was trashed by everyone with great hatred. It took years for some idiot to start talking about it as the 'masterpiece of Pink Floyd.' Now we can say it has notable parts, besides the beautiful 'Comfortably Numb,' and that especially the second and fourth sides are not up to par, while the other two are not bad at all. One of those cases where a single album would have turned out better.

Chicco, I lost the A... I agree with both of you on "The Wall"... It’s not exactly an album that gives you "Goosebumps," but it’s not a masterpiece either!!! It alternates between great songs and ridiculously bad ones... "Animals" is way better than "The Wall" for me... But I reiterate that "Wish..." is miles above every other album of theirs...

Well, at least you have 3 idiots here, chicco (me, dema, and prog) :D. For me, The Wall is their absolute peak; I've said it so many times that it almost bores me, but I still like to repeat it when it comes up. Brick in the Wall is not crap at all, and the second and fourth sides are simply beautiful, no doubt about it. The real crap and the moments that don't live up to the Pink Floyd standard are other ones (A Momentary Lapse of Reason and the studio disc of Ummagumma above all).

But then you don't want to understand... 'goosebumps' is the idea of the century! I swear! I'm going to steal it from you and resell it! Don't let it slip that you came up with it. 'Wish You Were Here' is the first LP I ever bought in my life, the only one my father unconditionally loved, the only one I own in like twenty versions because I collect it in any form.

I have the Stereo8, the gold record from Mobile Sound Fidelity Lab, the Trance Remix, about ten vinyl versions (the sand-colored pressing from 2001 is stunning), the box set, the cassette, five or six CD versions, the Russian DVD-A, the digipack made in China...

It's not a matter of understanding or not... I'm just saying that it all started unintentionally... If you like it so much, feel free to use it... But I claim the rights :D

Madcat, can you imagine what happened in 1980 when the single came out? Sold out, bastards, disco-goers, I've heard it all. The sound effects were highly appreciated, the plane in In The Flesh?, Hey You and Comfortably Numb, but in general, they were buried under an avalanche of boos, and you can understand why, after Dogs Pigs and Sheep! It can't be a coincidence that just two years later Alan Parsons released Mammagamma! Disco music, period, and we didn't accept it from Pink Floyd. Then The Final Cut came out and we liked The Wall a little bit more. Look for the reviews from that time and try to grasp the musical shock.

I feel drawn into the discussion by madcat's statement; so it’s right to state and reiterate my concept of "The Wall". My Pink Floyd album for decades, practically since 1980 when as a bold young man I dedicated myself to Rock thanks to this sound monument and other legendary gems (randomly mentioning "Making Movies" by Dire Straits). Personally, "Comfortably Numb" is the Rock track I have preferred for quite some time, and nothing will ever change my mind. Alegar.

I was too young to understand the reaction this record sparked when it was released. However, I can say that the combination of video and song had a tremendous impact on the imagination of my generation. Back in high school, it was considered the quintessential album, and everyone was just a bunch of sheep with bricks drawn on their Invicta backpacks.

DeMa doesn't debate the beauty of "Comfortably Numb," but he does have some discussions about the album in general...

Maccazzo, if The Wall is a masterpiece, what is Ummagumma? THAT’S the Pink Floyd, Ummagumma Atom Heart Mother Meddle The Dark Side Of The Moon Wish You Were Here Animals. You know better than I do that The Wall comes from a fucking, paranoid demo by Waters and that Gilmour managed to sneak in just two or three tracks. It was supposed to be a solo album by Roger, but he had another one up his sleeve and the other three liked it even less, and I don't know if they made the right choice. The demos without Ezrin's orchestrations - the real demos, not those 'work in progress' they just published - are terrible and pitiful. In the very few concerts (hard to find the videos, but they exist), they received boos. Final Cut sucks because it's made of outtakes from The Wall. Anyway, I apologize for the judgment, I have no right to criticize an album that you love so much, personal sensitivity must be respected. I do have The Wall, and I feel it too, every now and then.

I'm getting a shiver of terror down my spine... Where are "The Piper at the Gates of Down" and "A Saucerful of Secrets" on your list? You didn't mention them, and for me, the peaks of the Floyd remain those two, although they are magnificent up to Pompeii - part of Meddle and great up to Animals.

Of course I can't respond to some of your statements simply because I was just born at the time, but first of all, I find it wrong to define "discomusic" Brick in the Wall; then the feeling is of the usual annoying fans (no offense, I'm often an annoying fan too) who can't accept change, when, as far as I'm concerned, it's one of the things that keeps attention on a band alive (which, by the way, when they repeat the same things is similarly targeted, sometimes it's hard to understand what the hell fans really want). Then, Brick in the Wall is one song, ONE, (which I have always found to be absolutely great and perfectly fitting within the mood of the album) that lasts 3 minutes in the midst of a bold and inspired double album from various points of view, whether you like it or not. I didn't get what "Mammagamma" is (?!). @Dema thanks for the support :D

I don't think you were talking to me; I say the same that, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not crazy about The Wall. You were talking about the regard for the album in '80, I was just pointing out as a peculiarity that that idea had completely flipped over the course of ten years (at least for what concerns the generation immediately after yours, I believe).

But I absolutely do not criticize your "dislove" for The Wall: heaven forbid!! Also because having met you on the site, I know I'm speaking with someone knowledgeable who knows a lot, a whole lot about Music. I prefer your critique, as you always make it well-reasoned and supported by precious historical facts, rather than random judgments thrown out just to make a strong impression. Hi chicco.

To say, I repeat, Ummagumma is pretty terrible to me, there is simply no comparison with The Wall. With the others, it's a matter of taste; I don't see any objective superiority (which, by the way, there is absolutely nothing objective about in music) of one over another.

I hadn't listened to "The Wall" in a long time; I heard it live in its entirety last summer when a fantastic tribute band to the Floyd played a concert near me. They performed it from start to finish, and I find this album wonderful, no doubt about it... The only ones by Waters and company that I can't get into are Ummagumma (studio) and The Final Cut; the rest, from the soundtracks to the wall, are all great albums, with "Echoes" being my favorite track.

Then regarding the whole story of the demos, yeah, Waters' demos were terrible, so what? Even more so, it's a demonstration of how The Wall is essentially the last album of Pink Floyd in the classic lineup (for many, the last Pink Floyd album, period), considering what they managed to pull together from Waters' awful sketches.

The fact is that in 1980 we were fresh off masterpieces - as I said, Animals had been very well received by rock fans - and we considered it an unforgivable betrayal Another Brick In The Wall and the doo-wop choruses. Even today I have a dislike for these parts of the album. The few Gilmour tracks were immediately identifiable as if they had been painted red, which meant Waters' contribution was overlooked and the co-option of Clapton for the anguished 'Pros And Cons' did little to help. By the way, the double vinyl bootleg from the 'Pros And Cons' tour was widely circulated, and you could hear Eric Clapton playing like Jesus; the recorded concert didn’t feature the entire Waters album, fortunately, but only some parts more suited for live performance, while the rest were just Pink Floyd classics played incredibly well. No tracks from The Wall, someone commented that Eric must have refused, which of course doesn't seem plausible to me.

I'm responding to Hj, who will forgive me for the crasis of the name. I don't like the sound of the Pink in the studio with Barrett, and it comforts me to know that they couldn't get their hands on the mixes of the first album (it went slightly better with the singles) and that that bastard killer Norman Smith literally cut with scissors (IRREVERSIBLY) a ton of recorded parts, damn, beast. There are bootlegs that contain (I'm going from memory but I have them at home) the demos of Matilda Mother (8 minutes), Astronomy Domine (7 minutes), Pow R Toc H (11 minutes)... and then the rudimentary transition of sound from one speaker to the other in the middle of 'Interstellar Overdrive' disgusted Syd Barrett, HIS mix was and is magnificent. The same goes for 'Saucerful'; the only track where the Pink were left relatively free to play was the title track, while everything else was tamed and muffled. The first record where the Pink did as they pleased was actually Ummagumma, except for a heavenly 14-minute version of 'Interstellar Overdrive' that was cut out for space reasons. Wright wept over this until he was allowed to include 'Sysyphus' on the record; initially it had been rejected because it was too 'musique concrète'. It was 'Several Species...' that paved the way, since for EMI Waters was the leader of the group and they treated him with kid gloves (also because he had always been pretty furious) no one dared to object to the inclusion of 'caccaccacaum, haaaa - uh ah heeeeeeee'. Once that was past, anything could be put on, damn it.

Sure, but with all the necessary restrictions they invented a genre, and what sounds they produced despite everything. From "Interstellar Overdrive" is THE psychedelia and when you listen to it you’re so far out that it hardly matters the transitions of sound from one speaker to another. However, at this point, I would love to hear the live bootlegs of the Floyd from that era with demos and everything; if you can throw a few titles my way, I’ll see if I can track them down.

For my tastes, Pink Floyd were a magical band only before this work. With this album, they became a mega musical group, but the magic left them forever.

Dear Hj, I'm going to make a cernia (as the Prince de Curtis used to say). The Floyd bootlegs from 1966-1969 are hundreds, vinyl and CD, Japanese, American, and Italian, a mess. They all sound pretty terrible on average, obviously, given the period.

I just need two or three titles from the '66-'68 period :)

And thank you in advance.

Holy shit, how many comments! I didn't think there were so many fans of underground music :)

You will surely be insulted, and rightly so.

"but the real Pink, the real masterpieces will come later" I'm not insulting, I'm laughing :) In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out what "the real Pink" are. And it's not your judgment that makes me laugh; it's the outbursts, you know, that's different. I hope you don't take it the wrong way.

from lulz

We live in a country where freedom of thought still exists; consequently, what I say may please you, may be right or wrong, and does not necessarily correspond to truth. Therefore, what comes out of your mouth and, in this case, from your keyboard can also please, can be right or wrong... Points of view... Different opinions... Whether you laugh or not doesn’t interest me, and I don’t take offense, far from it... You emphasized my phrase "the true masterpieces will come later"... so, for you, is this "Piper..." superior to "Dark Side," "Animals," or "Wish You Were Here"? Absolutely not, and for me, it’s even inferior to albums like "Atom Heart Mother," "Meddle," and "Ummagumma"... Points of view!!

3 balls of course not, but on the other hand, those of Syd and Waters/Gilmour are totally opposing worlds. Is it legitimate to prefer the subsequent sound, or do we have to conform in order not to be criticized ever? In these cases, it is always preferable to play it safe and stick to the single thought.

The point is that here the one who plays the relativist, saying that everyone has their own position, their own opinions, etc... is also the only one who has established with an adjective the truth for everyone: the "real pink"! But who are you to say who the real Pink Floyd are?! It would be better if we didn’t fill our mouths with words about the value of opinion only to shoot these maxims!

Assuming it makes sense to talk about "real pinks," by the way!

Well, it's also true that they will be "the real pinks" for him, right? It seems obvious to me even though I understand that reading it this way might be irritating. Personally, I also prefer the later Pink Floyd, but of course, that 3 is something you can't stand.

I wanted to comment, but Carlos got to it first.

I don't know this one, but actually Missundaztood still kind of sucks; the ones before (including this The Piper something I presume) are even worse. The real Pink starts with "I'm Not Dead," from there on good albums, maybe not true masterpieces as you call them, but still enjoyable. What do you mean I misunderstood? Well, I'll just let it go now.

I have always placed great value on the HOW, and I believe it says a lot, perhaps everything.

MADCAT: In any case, assuming that you are right (and probably your analysis is spot on), if you write LIKE THAT, you shouldn't be surprised that people respond to you like Work and Hj did. It's a matter of anticipating the consequences of your actions, not opinions or who knows what else!

As Carlos says. I'll repeat, your tastes don't make me laugh (and why? Along these lines I'd also marry what Teenage says) what makes me laugh are the outbursts.

I have many friends, colleagues, cousins who think like you; just last Friday, I was listening to an episode on Radio Capital dedicated to Barrett, and many listeners who called in shared your views. That said, I love this album, one of the giants of '67; I see nothing wrong with your opinion—think that I can't stand Sgt. Pepper. Plus, Barrett's PF is a very different band from the subsequent one in terms of setup, arrangements, style, music... everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Regards.

I share Teenagelobotomy's thoughts in the fifth comment... Carlos, I haven't established any truth for anyone; it’s pointless for you and all the other users who are writing and will write to get so worked up... I've simply expressed my judgment that teenege understood perfectly... For me, the album is nice but not a masterpiece as everyone wants to make it out to be... It’s just my opinion, so why the hell are you so upset??? I don't follow the crowd... I mean, if someone tells me "Listen to this album, it's a masterpiece, everyone likes it, etc.", does it have to please me just because everyone says so?? The same goes for "The Wall," which is a masterpiece for almost everyone, but not for me... Or rather, it’s a great album, but not on par with their other albums... Just my personal considerations and tastes; whether you like them or not, I couldn’t care less... Sorry for the language, but sometimes it just needs to be said!!

Thank you, Hell, for your intervention... It seems that there are others who think like me..

Teenage really shot his usual nonsense as usual (if you conform to the group by saying that The Piper is better than The Dark Side, well, obviously, and the Sun revolves around the Earth which is at the center of the Universe), for example, I understood your opinion. And I repeat for the third time that it’s not your opinion but the way, as Carlos said, it was expressed that made me laugh. Here, no one got heated and I don’t think any insults were thrown. It was just a statement that wanted to be a personal judgment but came out as a shooting comment, indeed. "The Real Pink" then we still have to understand what they are. Do I seem nervous to you? No, because I feel damn calm and I truly have never contested your personal judgment.

"It seems that there are other people who think like me." A few million. But not me, for example, and the statements (like the REAL Pink Floyd come after this album) crack me up. I'm a cheerful kind of person.

Now you are adjusting your aim, making the judgment absolutely personal as it should be and as you certainly intended to do from the beginning, but trust me, the definition is a shot in the dark.

I'm not correcting any shot, because from the beginning, mine was a personal opinion... You don't belong to the category of those who think like me?? Better, because there are more thoughts and more judgments... Then for "real Pinks," I mean those from "Ummagumma" onwards... Because they found their most ideal sound and the one I prefer most... Does that sit well with you or is this also a bold statement??

Let everyone prefer whatever they like, but "the real Pink," "the real masterpieces"... Jesus.

"Because they found their most ideal sound." This is an outrageous statement. "The one I prefer the most." This, however, is not. You've practically established the difference yourself. Did they find their ideal sound? But if with the first two albums they invented cosmic psychedelia, countless Germans in the '70s were inspired by them, which devil's ideal sound are you talking about? Also, I repeat for the fourth time, I couldn't care less that you prefer the records from the '70s; I mean, that's perfectly fine, I won't even argue about it. And I’ll reiterate that the way you wrote this definition seems like a hyperbolic claim. I quote TSTW, who in one line has clarified perfectly what I’m trying to say in 20.

OOOOO

their ideal sound...ahahahahaha.........ahahaha haha.........their ideal sound...ahahahahaha.........ahahaha haha.........

By "the more ideal sound to what I prefer," he means that the sound of the PF has become standardized since Ummagumma; they used to make psychedelic rock, and then they started to make Pink Floyd. Oh, maybe I'm wrong and Aquarius will come to tell me that I haven't understood a damn thing. If I've understood correctly, I would point out that the concept expressed was absolutely obvious, and all of you are almost acting like typical teens (which, in fact, here said something right, and I also understand that as compensation, you put yourselves in the position of invoking slaps).

A clarification to Aquarius instead: "I don't follow the crowd... I mean, if someone tells me, 'Listen to this album, it's a masterpiece, everyone loves it, etc.' 'Well done, don't follow the crowd. Leave the PF alone; whether or not you make your rounds on Deb to talk about it, our musical culture remains the same, and all you get are discussions about the sex of angels. Talk to us about something new, or at least something that's less than forty-five years old and has a billion pages of paper and virtual content behind it. No offense to anyone, not even teens. Just for this time, ça va sans dire.

AQUARIUS: You didn't respond AT ALL to what I wrote. The OBJECT of my critique is very clear and has nothing to do with what you, individually, think or don’t think about Pink Floyd. You expressed an opinion (very questionable) as if it were a universal maxim, and that’s a fact. Someone replied in kind (but without insulting you) and you pulled out that everyone has their own opinion (a valid point), but it’s a pity that in your definition, you used an attitude that is not at all that of someone expressing their personal opinion on a matter. These are FACTS. So you shouldn't be surprised, as you were, if someone responds to you like Work and Hj. I listed the facts and repeated what I already wrote to you. If you now respond with something that still has nothing to do with it, it means you're either not paying attention or purposely misinterpreting my words. Period and stop.

AN attitude WITHOUT APOSTROPHE, forgive me*

To summarize, TSTW made the best comment on the page in my opinion: "Everyone can prefer what they want, but 'the real Pink,' 'the real masterpieces'... Jesus." That's what I wanted to say with the thousand words I used. If you don't understand this, you have problems.

"First they played psychedelic rock, then they started doing Pink Floyd." They were doing "Pink Floyd" even before since "that" psychedelic rock was not played like they did in 1967, or by very few. And there are significant differences in the "Pink Floyd" sound from Atom to Wish You. Furthermore, I believe "ideal sound" means "the best," "the most suitable," "what made them take a leap in quality." And why should the sound of Animals be "ideal" compared to that of A Saucerful? Setting aside personal tastes, I mean.

"They were doing 'The Pink Floyd' even before" it seems evident to me that Ummagumma is the album that marks the transition to a certain kind of sound. Maybe it's that I know Pink Floyd only vaguely because I don't really care about them or almost. "That" psychedelic rock was not played by anyone like them in 1967." Yes, but then they no longer played that psychedelic rock either, or at least from Ummagumma onwards, the PF's sound is unmistakable, the sound of Piper was undoubtedly different. "And why should the sound of Animals be "ideal" compared to that of A Saucerful? Personal tastes aside, I mean." Because from Dark Side to Division, etc., they sound like Ummagumma. And when one talks about Pink Floyd in general, they don't refer to Piper. If to talk about Pink Floyd in general you have the sound of Piper in mind, you’re a fool. A serious fool. Why? Well, I don’t know the Pink Floyd well, but I have ears. You do too. Use them.

Aside from Hj, who as usual proves to be a pig rolling in its own filth, I find this to be an interesting discussion. The Pink Floyd of Barrett, while seminal, will never be remembered by the masses as the "real" Pink Floyd. In this, user Aquarius27 is right; I don't think there’s any need to debate it further. The rest falls into personal taste, which is legitimate, although, given some of the tastes of certain people here ("Blur better than the Beatles," I believe madcat said), perhaps it would be wise to implement a bit of a gatekeeping. I would propose an entrance test to assess the background knowledge of new users.

Come on, I'm curious, how would you do this test?

Fantaman, either get a life or stop spewing the outrageous nonsense you throw around without the fake to cover your ass, right? Either way, you’re still a poor fool, but at least you’d be more honest. Poor fool.

From Ummagumma to The Dark Side there are still transitions, that's all. And then "because from dark side to division etc. they sound like umma" you tell me to use my ears? Nes if you know things by your ass and you even admit it, don't talk about it, Christ.

"Come on, I'm curious, how would you take this test?" Workhorse, why do I have the impression that Fantaman is becoming a bit of a laughing stock? Like probably his other identity before him?

What the hell are you blabbering about... he wrote a bunch of nonsense. It would have been enough to say, I prefer the sound and compositions of the 2nd (or the 3rd, or whatever) period of PF, and the discussion would have been more "wise" and no one would have had anything to say (I think). But if you say the "true PF," then take responsibility for the crap you’re saying.

"From Ummagumma to The Dark Side there are still transitions, that's all. If you know things from your ass and you admit it, don't talk about it, Christ. You either don’t want to understand or you’re an idiot, I can’t do anything about it. And moderate your language: you are the fart of a gnat and, as I've been telling you for years, I put up with you out of pity."

There are some stratospheric pretty boys in bulk here; it feels like being on Uomini&Donne. I don’t think that when a group changes genre you can say "these are the real ones, these are the fakes," even if they used to suck or later start to suck big time (not the case with the PFs, mind you). The most you can say that when they release an album of recycled scraps (and that’s the case with the PFs, though you may or may not like the album). That said, what the hell do you have to argue about? Aquarius may have expressed himself crudely (I didn’t want him to be actually insulted; otherwise, I would have kicked off the festivities), but it doesn’t seem appropriate to throw shit at each other like monkeys. Maybe Fantaman deserves a little poop for that masses talk; he wouldn’t pass the entrance tests that he himself would want to implement.

"It's not that when a group changes gender YOU CAN SAY" I meant to say, of course.

Yes, that's right! The entrance test! We'll include the question: "Fantaman is the fake of which character?", but given the extreme difficulty of the question, no one would guess it; it would be too complex and obscure.

Well, it's been the indie refrain (edit - or rather indie-Italian, because abroad the situation is quite different, just to be clear) for ages that the Floyd of Syd Barrett are the only ones that matter. Come on, this isn't exactly news; I've been going crazy about it for years.

I honestly wonder how the hell one can love Barrett more than any other Floyd. To be fair, love cannot be commanded, but I could understand a love for Barrett due to his solo albums more than a love stemming from Pipers..., where you can still hear a strong tribute to the Beatles on one hand, while on the other the original ideas that the band had will be more fully realized in A Saucerful of Secrets.

What can you do, this is Italy! Listen to me, years of Berlusconi/communism/bleeding heart liberalism have made us this way, while abroad, my dear lady, that’s where they do things the way they should! My husband spent ten years as a metalworker in Germany and there they had things that here, you wouldn't even dare to think about.

User Rolando would say "crazy laughter" at this point and would also be right.

you see, and you are mad!

For me, the true Pink Floyd are those long suites they performed at concerts, expansions and modifications in the flow of current music. The other Pink Floyd, the studio ones, were too manipulative, too much pressure; they unleashed themselves in concerts, giving space to their imagination... because being completely free and at the same time completely dominated by the majors is the eternal paradox of the musician.

I don't insult anyone. Far from it. I respect your ideas. However, the album in question is nothing short of essential. Anyway, tastes are tastes.

In my opinion, you are mistaken in wanting to compare such different works. Moreover, this album is a masterpiece when placed in its own context. This applies to everything; you can't compare AOR rock, progressive, arena-sized tracks like Wish You Were Here or Dark Side with the visionary psychedelia of the early albums, and you also have to consider the current musical context.

There is one thing that CristianoDA rightly points out, namely that the Floyd of the early albums were hindered by terrible production choices (I've already expressed my disdain elsewhere for that bastard Norman Smith). However, this ultimately adds even more value to the debut of PF; if it's wonderful as it is, just imagine what it could have been without the cuts and censorship.

What??? 50 comments and not even one from me? Oh no, I need to get notifications for what's happening here, God forbid that Fantaman comes back with his entrance test proposal and I miss it...

And the real (indeed, very real!) Pink Floyd are the ones from A Momentary Lapse Of Reason. Take that!

Wow, this entrance test thing completely slipped my mind, and it's an idea that unnerves and terrifies me a lot: I've written over two hundred reviews without ever having listened to a single Pink Floyd album (and not just theirs) in my life. If this proposal were to pass, I would be declared illegal, banned, and my reviews would be erased with a damnatio memoriae. I'm just like, bauraaaahhhh!

This entrance test thing is nonsense, plain and simple; it shouldn't be taken seriously (and I don't think it was proposed seriously). But dear Aquarius, why instead of splitting the Pink Floyd eras and trying to assign grades, don't you appreciate the versatility of a band that has managed to grow and create masterpieces for every season and every style? The "historical" mistake lies in not wanting to shout miracle, I believe. It's exactly the opposite: Astronomy Domine and Interstellar Overdrive are a miracle in 1967, more than Shine On You Crazy Diamond is in '75, after tons of rock and prog and after Dark Side Of The Moon. This does not take away from the fact that one may appeal to some more than others, but the historical value of certain original ideas and recordings cannot be denied.

No but excuse me, what made you think that I (and also Danny) am taking seriously the latest bullshit from a fake (which could very well be yours)?

I’m sorry to play the unsolicited lawyer of Aquarius, but the page is getting thick and tasty. Chicco, how dare you? "Why instead of splitting the Pink Floydian periods and trying to give ratings, don’t you appreciate the versatility of a band that has managed to grow and deliver masterpieces for every season and every style?" Because everyone has their own tastes, and when one listens to Duran Duran, they take others’ tastes as sacrosanct. Even if they’ve been playing for 50 years with a score in hand. I repeat: DURAN DURAN!

Still with this story...? And who makes you think I was responding to you, Zanna?

No, but stay on it: THE DURAN DURAN!!!

Yes, you’re earning the fuck you, you know that?

It makes me think that my comment was precisely about the infamous (and much-anticipated) entrance exam. Any other questions?

But who's paying attention to you, Zanna? I'm not thinking about you... quite the opposite, actually. You seem to exist only to ponder what I write. If you go read, the entrance test proposed has been commented on by many others before you, for example by Hj and madcat in comments 35 and 40. You could try to be less solipsistic and more urbane, Zanna, I'm sure of it.

"This whole entrance exam thing is bullshit, period, it shouldn't be taken seriously." And you could try to understand when people are joking lightly. Or maybe when they were handing out a sense of humor, you were busy reading the sheet music (by hand)?

What's wrong, are you pissed off for not being able to talk about music like a damn dog?

No, it annoys me that I speak and you don't understand.

Chicco, you deserve the fuck you just got. You led us to believe you had some kind of appropriate judgment from a good musical background. Instead, you're just someone who has read here and there but can't tell shit from chocolate sorbet (which may taste bad, but at least doesn't hurt).
I believe Aquarius (or whoever) is free to prefer one Pink Floyd album over another without a Duran Duran supporter nitpicking at him. If he had come to say that Lady Gaga is better than Pink Floyd, you would have had every right to say what you wanted, but since we're just talking about tastes, and not good taste, you, with your Duran Duran, clash. And it clashes quite a bit.

"talking about music like a damn dog?" we "duran duran," you’re exaggerating…

But what do Duran Duran have to do with it?

They are involved because nes is not able to talk about Capossela, and so he wanders off to other posts, other written things, about the crap of blur and the fact that I have supported and defended that even Duran Duran are better than blur. I even went further, nes, get updated: I would buy Raffaella Carrà’s records before those of blur. As for Duran Duran, how that group of half-idiots (especially the singer) has inexplicably been able to produce a wonderful album like Rio is a mystery, but it’s a fact recognized by the music critics of the whole world and now well-established. The masterpiece of blur, on the other hand, lies in those years when they got the hell out of the way. After that, whenever you want to talk about Duran Duran, be my guest: songs and albums at hand, perhaps, because saying nonsense is something anyone can do.

But weren't we talking about Pinc Floi and entrance tests here?

Goldfiga gets banned, but it seems like the admins have a thing for old pain-in-the-asses, what’s up with that?! He’s been trolling for a week and no one says a damn thing. I’ve never participated in any debate with him and I don't intend to start now, but I just want to point out that practices like this used to get dealt with in 3 days, especially when there were cases of direct insults (which there have been, by the way). And I don’t want to start any discussion, especially not with you, Chicco. I'm just fed up with seeing you latch on like a leech to every comment from someone you can’t stand, not to mention when you spout your bullshit just to attract flies to the shit.

I’m away for half a day and find the site clogged with notifications... Great... I read the remaining messages, but it’s practically impossible to respond to everyone... I thank "nes" for what he wrote... Then I saw that other users started a "debate" because of me and I apologize... The site should introduce music, encourage polite discussion, and above all, a user should respect the definitions and messages of other users, whatever that definition might be... For many of you, what I wrote is nonsense, okay I accept it all, but it remains my opinion... I tried to explain what I meant by "True Pink," and again for you it was nonsense... Here you all act like "music experts," but I don’t consider myself an expert; in fact, I’m just a poor guy who, in a time of crisis like this, finds refuge in music to forget everything, and loves Pink Floyd, because perhaps that went unnoticed... I LOVE PINK FLOYD, but I prefer them in the post-Barrett period; is that a crime??? I don’t think so... If a friend asked me to recommend a Floyd album to start with, I would say "Wish" or "Dark Side," certainly not "Piper"... is that a crime?? I really don’t think so... That said, greetings to everyone...

Aquarius: I am also Carlos, and I have already said and repeated everything I wanted to tell you. Obviously, you don't want to understand what I wrote to you. Goodbye.

"I even raised the stakes, " no you didn't raise the stakes: the duran duran are worse than Carrà, wash your ears, for fuck's sake! "unexplainably able to produce a great album like Rio" but aren't you just a fan of Simon in disguise? "acknowledged by the music critics around the world" the wrong half. I'll say it again for the umpteenth time: everyone has their weaknesses. don't judge those of others if yours are duran duran. "songs and albums at hand, maybe, because anyone can talk crap." I don't even want to talk about duran duran, I want to counter your bullshit.

and above all: duran duran ARE bullshit.

Goodbye Carlos and Extra... Honestly, I won't miss you.... Just kidding, of course...

Simon LeBon has one of the most horrible and annoying voices ever, while the blondie from Blur is at least bearable...

but above all, Vinicio, what the hell does it have to do with it.

Here, I didn't understand that either...

But above all, when do we have to take this test?

I think it's in September. Which is a drag, I was hoping to have a decent summer finally and instead I have to spend it with the Alfa Test books. Damn.

However, it's likely that three or four days before, the questions will be available online. If we organize ourselves, I think we can all pass it together.

NOW! I'm asking the questions because that's how it seems to me. First question: the complete tracklist (instrumental interludes included) of "My Heart Of Stone" by Peter Heppner!

But blast some healthy DEVO at full volume and hell yeah!!!!1

But do you think at Radio Elettra school there are courses for passing the DeTest? Because I don't feel ready at all...

And then I miss the sheet music (at hand), can they provide it to me?

1. Beatles or Rolling Stones? 2. Oasis or Blur? 3. Pitchfork or Scaruffi? 4. Barrett or Gilmour? 5. Dream Theater or Radiohead?

1-step 2-Blur 3-fuck you 4-step 5-Driiiim Thhhhiatahhhh

You wrote one H less in Thhhhiatahhhhh, failed!

1. Rhapsody or Stratovarius? 2. BUT Batio or Kurt Cobain? 3. Luzzatto Fegiz or Mollica? 4. Bronski Beat or Lynyrd Skynyrd? 5. Romina Power or Loredana Lecciso?

1 Rolling Stones 2 Duran Duran 3 OndaRock 4 Barlmour 5 Radiohead covering the Drim Fiata. Let's move on to test 2: 1 I don’t know it 2 Cobain 3 Donald Duck 4 Lynyrd Skynyrd 5 Romina Power, she was hotter when she was younger in my opinion.

But when do the real questions arrive? And the results?

The test will actually consist of just one question: H or J?

I'm sorry, but it seems that your message is incomplete. Please provide the full text you'd like me to translate.

Ah, it's an open-ended question then, with the classic "explain why" at the end. Assholes.

And now Extro will explain to us why J.

Just because the "i" was not included

And the answer is correct! Extro is allowed at the Debasio and can bring a friend of his choice between ZannaB or Cicciolina!

Port Zanna. I keep Cicciolina in my room.

99

And here is the quota 100!

You are a bunch of idiots.

In the sense of sexually very endowed men?

But can't you have these discussions somewhere else??? I'm tired of reading your notifications every minute....

Eh, it’s DeBaser getting us used to it. In fact, now they could comment more just to send you more notifications, these buzzurroni.

I had no doubts about this...

Have you ever noticed that link that says "mark as read"?

Next time I’ll try commenting in a way that’s not third-party, so I can avoid a million notifications of damn thief. This latest one is my little, cruelest revenge. uaz uaz.

Infected, you’re a veteran; you should smell the bullshit from a mile away with all those thousands of comments...

That's exactly why I only left a comment young "for lulz," without thinking first about the consequences of such an action.

I don't know if it's their best, but it's certainly an excellent album, the latest work from a united group.

The Wall is not a masterpiece, indeed, but this one is... Wright proved to be impeccable! Great keyboardist, great album. Historic!

No, it's already out of gas. An immense record anyway for my tastes. Just like the first one.

the gasoline, not "to the."

noooo hjhhjij.... I need you to be in shape... Fill up the gas and go! :)

aquarium don't be a coward... many prefer the second over the first, myself included...

Here Gilmour commands over Barrett, the poor Syd is past his prime and does little. However, not all the ideas are exploited to the fullest; Set The Controls is weak in this studio version (all subsequent live performances will be magnificent and majestic), and in other songs various suggestions are cut, always due to idiotic production. I find the two albums quite complementary; here Wright starts to come into his own, and the form of the psychedelic little song from the early singles and The Gnome, for example, begins to change.

It used to be my favorite, but I abused it so much that I really listen to it rarely now.

But what a slacker Riba?? Muffin, there's no point in trying to be charming with the story of the "Real Pinks"...

Acquasplash, you're right, it's just that before I wasn't the real Muff.

"Acquasplash" is supposed to make me laugh??

Are you asking me?

Watch out, Muffin is a DeBaserian from the Old Republic, much fiercer than us. He'll eat you and spit you out in one bite. What we really need is a good bloodbath like in the old days.

And you, hjhj, who are you... the young lady walking around the ring holding up the sign with the round number?

I still prefer the first one!

Nooo, I'm not that cool.

Sure that you're a repeat offender, huh...

AccaGei in a bikini and high heels strutting on a ring. What a terrible scene, Riba...

Have patience, but it's you who's imagining these scenes. Anyway, yes, it was pretty awful for me too.

but hey this is about the debaser ahahahah

Oh at least I'm a hot chick, you're an idiot, I've got more luck than you. Maybe.

It's not me who wants to imagine them; it's Ribaldo who suggests it with what he writes. In fact, I was talking to him (which can be deduced from the fact that he wrote Riba at the end of my comment). If you have inferiority complexes because you look awful in a bikini, that's your problem...

No, it's not me who has the complexes; it's you who's a voyeur.

Am I a fool? Hi, you're the dumbest of all, with the added bonus of feeling clever... you're a caricature (of shit), Debaser's sidekick, the bloody lackey AHAHAHAH! Come on, go tell fake to chiccotana, you stupid AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

"Am I an idiot?" Yes, and almost everyone here has told you that, even though you pretend otherwise and laugh behind my back :) Aside from that, I'm just goofing around, why do you always have to spontaneously play the fool?

How lovely are dear Hj and Riba, competing to see who is the more foolish. And I think I may have even instigated them... Can I join the competition too? Riba always says I have the skills to win!

You have them, you have them, or you wouldn’t be here now :D But I want the top step of the podium. Sure, beating Ribaldo is tough, but there's always corruption...

Few know that Hj is actually Monica Bellucci; I found out some time ago. Then the real Floyd starts with The Endless River, no bullshit, it was just a warm-up before.

Great hell... The Endless river cannot be beaten :D

Sure you're good at keeping a secret, huh hell.