Aquarius27

My favorite. Listening to 1983 at four in the morning, in the car, after a sleepless night lit me up...

my favorite of Hendrix without a doubt. @hellraiser I can relate to you :) and maybe continue around 6-7 with Rainy day dream way/Still raining still dreaming :)

Among other things, the full band Traffic (Steve Winwood, Jim Capaldi, and Chris Wood, maybe even Dave Mason) plays on some tracks. So, as session musicians. The icing on the cake. TOTAL album.

For me, the total zenith of the Jimi Hendrix Experience. A total masterpiece.

Here we agree, perhaps the band's most "fresh" and "genuine" album, even better than more acclaimed works like Destroier.

Destroyer, pardon..

Well, also Destroyer, I mean...

Exactly Hell... Destroyer is a great album, but this one is superior...

To this, I have always preferred the second one, with more kiss-like sounds. In my opinion. Anyway, this remains a very nice album.

Not my favorite but definitely a great album, with a few things to fix but very good, I agree with you.

God have mercy on you!

Five stars are too many for a good album that, however, distorts the nature of Kiss... five for the first and for Destroyer, not counting Alive!. Here the stars are four, I would say, at least one goes to Bob Ezrin.

Mmmm..never liked them much, here the Kiss go a bit off the beaten path, I prefer them from '73 to '78, plus all the Alives..

Re-listening to it these days, I found it exhilarating, just like all the live albums of the band.

Here they still craved glory. As always said, excellent until '82, although with Dynasty they were already on the decline. Still, all the Alives, from 1 to 4, are great hard rock albums.

I love "When The Levee Breaks"... that's the shining gem of the album.

Well, I like this one more than the first two.

For me, the first four are essential and of equal importance, which surprised everyone back then given the prevalence of acoustic tracks. It may sound less hard, but just Immigrant alone is worth the entire album...

Gallows Pole and Since I've Been Loving You, two timeless masterpieces.

As The JargonKing...by far the one I have always preferred about the airship.

I haven't commented on anything for years, but I care about "Musical Justice."
Do you realize that "Since I've been Loving You" is worth half of the world's discography? It's among the five most beautiful Blues pieces in the world.
Forgive me for the abrupt intervention, but I hope it is Effective.

@Kurtd I don't think I wrote that the album is bad; on the contrary, I emphasized that it is a great album, but for me, it is inferior to the first two...

To date, although all of the first 4 are exceptional albums to me, the first is the only one I prefer over this one. It's a matter of nuances in any case.

I've never liked Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple (I prefer Black Sabbath), but from how you've constructed this definition, I think I should listen to this album (which I don't know).

I didn't know about this, is there any video? Anyway, the album has been seriously underrated by everyone, and "For Your Life" is a must-listen, almost a fundamental pillar of hard rock.

Maybe I exaggerated in the last part of the sentence, but oh well.

Maybe I exaggerated in the last part of the sentence, but oh well.

No Ale, unfortunately videos can't be found, but it's all true, it's been confirmed in various interviews, etc... This story can be found everywhere online anyway... Actually, the sentence isn't even complete, since he also added: "And as for Tommy Bolin: he can't play for shit!".... At that time, Bolin was on guitar and not Blackmore!!

"1976: One evening, John Bonham showed up backstage at a Deep Purple concert at the Nassau Coliseum in Long Island. Drunk and quite excited, he struggled to stand behind the stage; he noticed a free microphone and jumped on stage before the Deep Purple roadies could grab him. The band stopped playing, stunned, while Bonzo shouted into the microphone: 'I'm John Bonham from Led Zeppelin and I just want to announce that we have a new album coming out: it's called Presence and, fucking hell, it's fantastic!' He then tried to leave but turned back towards the Deep Purple guitarist and insulted him gratuitously: 'And as for Tommy Bolin, he can't play for shit!' This incident (one of the funniest in rock history) appeared in music magazines all over the world (it’s also mentioned in the book Led Zeppelin: Hammer of the Gods) and later the Deep Purple themselves confirmed it numerous times."

ahaha legend

Seen :D :D

I don’t know why, but I consider it a masterpiece. It is certainly a more worthy conclusion than Coda.

You forgot "Physical Graffiti"

"Physical Graffiti" is a beautiful, mind-blowing album for me, etc... But not a masterpiece for one reason, which is too many songs... The first six tracks are immense, and there's no need to mention the names of the songs... The second disc does not maintain the levels of the first one... If, at the time, it had been released with the first 6 plus "In The Light," "Wanton Song," "Ten Years Gone," and "Sick Again" (the best for me from the second disc)... Well, in that case, we would be talking about a masterpiece!!

Perhaps the weakest is Presence.

In my opinion, this isn't a masterpiece either. And now I’m starting the festival of clichés: after the first four, there’s a qualitative decline! Jimmy Page copied from the great bluesmen of the past. Plant was off-key live. Bonzo drank so much that he passed out on the drums. Am I forgetting something???

And what was John Paul Jones doing?

Jimmy Page was a Satanist, how could you forget that? P.S.: the album isn't a masterpiece for me either, but it's still a great album.

The weakest for me is In Through The Out Door... On Presence, those two outstanding tracks, Achille and Nobody's, really stand out and for me, it's a fantastic album... Hj, this is a beautiful version that I wasn't aware of... But the 11 minutes of Led will blow your mind (at least for me :) )

I also really like the original. However, I feel that Rowland S. Howard's vision of the Blues is more "mine." Of course, this comes down to tastes.

I really liked this version because it differs from the one by Led... In fact, I believe that a cover shouldn't be remade exactly the same in every way... Every band should put something of their own into the piece...

Well, trust someone who knows Lydia Lunch and Rowland S. Howard's music well, it's unlikely they'll end up playing a carbon copy. Howard has done various covers (Stooges, Chilton...) and they are all wonderfully "his." On this album made in collaboration, there's also a cover of "Black Juju" by Alice Cooper, I can't tell you what a thing that is... I'm glad you liked it anyway, and I agree with you by the way.

You got me curious... When I have some time, I'll look for something on YouTube... Maybe the spark will fly with them too :)

I bet this is the part of the album you appreciate the most!! She does have a beautiful voice, though...

No, the album is incredibly homogeneous; there isn't a track that stands out above the others. In fact, for me, it is a true masterpiece.

I will try to listen to something in a not-too-distant future...

There is a pulsation, a common thread that runs along the entire spine of this work; it periodically returns to throb so that one can always feel the vibration, the vitality, its exuberance.

The last masterpiece by Led Zeppelin remains, for me, "In Through The Out Door."

Anyway, this has become a classic too...

It could have been a great album, it's a shame about Plant's vocal conditions.

But the Plant incident happened the following year, didn't it?

yes in '76

Even if to be honest it stopped singing decently from '73 onwards.

I would also add Down By The Seaside.

One of my Holy Grails...

One of the albums of my life

a stronghold

It is a mature, heartfelt, and inspired record. Beautiful.

A must from the 90s, truly beautiful...

Let’s not forget John Baker Saunders, former Walkabouts. A true blues engine behind this project. Rest in peace to him too... damn it!

ps. deluxe version? Damn... I would be willing to buy another copy just for the bonus XD

Yes Silas, the deluxe version does exist... 2 CDs plus a DVD.... In addition to the bonus tracks, it also includes the famous concert "Live at the Moore"... it costs 26.9 on Amazon.

I agree with Acquarius, the deluxe version is very well done, money well spent. I found it for 18, great deal.

I bought the deluxe version, even though I have the original from back in the day, and.. it's worth it!! It's not even overpriced!!

Yes, this is exactly what is meant by "good record."

an absolute pearl

Layne and John.. They're ABOVE the TRAFFIC!

One of the most beautiful albums of grunge ever. But has anyone ever thought of making a movie about the stories of Temple Of The Dog and Mad Season?

I like them. And Kickstart My Heart is one of the peaks of glam metal, for me...

That song has been my alarm for years :)

Good job. Many people mock them just for the trend, but personally I like them up to rockstar (single excluded).

For me, until "Dark Horse" they held up well, perfectly! From "Here" onwards they seem like a boy band, but this doesn't erase the good things they did earlier!

For me, they are the last true reincarnation of powerful and straightforward rock 'n' roll! They maintain that original energy, while at the same time infused with an alternative veil that modernizes it.

At the beginning for sure, as I have already written, but I believe that today we can have that discussion about Black Stone Cherry who, as of now, have still not sold themselves to the god Money (and let's hope that never happens)... They are truly devastating, powerful, and direct!

At the beginning for sure, as I have already written, but I believe that today we can have that discussion about Black Stone Cherry who, as of now, have still not sold themselves to the god Money (and let's hope that never happens)... They are truly devastating, powerful, and direct!

Black Stone Cherry are absolutely amazing!!! I think I have their first 2 albums, and I remember them being very good! Why are they a mess now?!

Not a rubbish at all, actually... The last album is my favorite, and anyway, all 5 are a pleasure to listen to!

No, I was saying these are the Nickelback!

I thought you were talking about the Blacks :)... The Nicks are actually embarrassing now!

The vile money! I’ve got the first 3 Black validissimi, I read your review, am I right?! I need to get the other one or the other two as well...

Yeah... recover both "Magic" and "Kentucky"

1000 spans above 'Nevermind'. Although, for me, it was with 'In Utero' that they said it all.

No bullshit, this album is not up for debate.

Well, it's not a few.

When I was around 16, I swiped 10 euros from mom to buy this thing; for heaven's sake, what an idiot I was, deep down I already knew that this was something that absolutely had nothing to do with me, and yet... if someone were to give it to me today, it would go straight into the trash without even taking the wrapping off.

Boh, of all their stuff, this is definitely the one that tells me the least, the only one that really doesn't say anything to me at all. I think it's mainly a matter of sounds and production; I just don't like it. Some songs are beautiful in themselves (others less so), and "Polly" is a gem, but I like all their other albums much more.

Well, I don’t agree, for me there’s also No Code!

the only job of the PJ that I truly enjoyed. With all due respect to you.

I agree with Viceroy, but how often is that No code disc underestimated?!

for me Vs. the absolute peak of PJ... but up to No Code included, they are all five stars anyway

Oh, I prefer Binaural. To the peace of your masterpieces.

Yes, I also liked Binaural, unlike Riot Act and Yield which I found to be terribly flat.

I've never listened to Yield and Riot Act, and to be honest, I'm not very tempted to. On the other hand, I'm more interested in the latest album, if only to hear how they've evolved since I completely abandoned them.

I really like Yield, Binaural too... Riot Act is a bit weak.

Well, I gave a listen (distractedly, I admit) to the latest one; the point is, I struggle to see an evolution in the Pearl Jam of the post-No Code era. Someone referred to the last album as "reheated soup," and I fear they might be very close to the mark.

Well, you know, someone who has soaked up all the PJ albums feels the reheated soup, while I, who haven’t listened to an album since Binaural, might hear something new.
In short, while you guys were eating the soup, I was still on the croutons! :-)

Look, anyway, after Binaural (and before the latest one), I only listened to Riot Act; I don’t even know a single note from Pearl Jam and Backspacer, you know.

Ah, you too, crostini?

more or less :)

No Code is undoubtedly great, but not comparable to "Ten," "Vs," and "Vitalogy" itself...

After these 4 albums, I believe the only albums that deserve more than one listen (for those who aren't exactly die-hard fans of the band) are "Yield" and "Backspacer"... Then again, de gustibus, everyone has their own preferences!

I'll share my thoughts: up to and including Binaural, I still find them to be great stuff. I'm not very familiar with the subsequent ones; some I like, while others excite me less. Moreover, you're overlooking that gem of two songs that is Merkin Ball, even though theoretically it could easily fit with No Code. The general impression is that Eddie has recently given his best with the soundtrack of Into The Wild.

I don't think it comes out defeated at all; in some ways, it's the opposite. Given the evolution of this and the previous one compared to the first two, I think it's Yield that comes out defeated in comparison to the first four. Instead, I find Binaural a really great album.

It's not easy to compare the first three with this one, which is ultimately just different, a unique chapter in the history of the PJs. The real decline, in my opinion, will come with the post-Binaural phase, and to find a work that can stand up to the first four, one will have to wait for the OST of Into The Wild.

They never drove me crazy. But I really liked "Vitalogy." This follows closely... even though I liked it much less. After this, they could very well have put their instruments on the shelf...

And in any case, as I have often written, for me their peak is "Vitalogy."

Maybe from the definition it wasn't clear what I meant... I say that No Code is a really great album (and the rating I gave is there to prove it), but in my opinion it's inferior to the first three... After No Code they had a noticeable decline in songwriting, and I think we all agree, but Yield is still decent and contains some nice songs... After Yield they objectively released albums below average, then "Mad" if for you Binaural is a good record, that's your choice, I mean tastes are tastes, but objectively it's a bit lacking.

@[Aquarius27] no, it was perfectly clear what you wanted to say, you consider it inferior to the first ones, I don’t, and I wanted to write that. Regarding Binaural that "tastes are tastes but objectively it's a bit lacking," well, I could respond that instead "objectively" Yield is a bit lacking, and I would be talking nonsense because there’s nothing "objective" in music, it’s always about tastes, just as you wrote, even if right after you said the opposite :D

Since when can you tag someone in a comment?? Anyway, I'm not the only one who thinks this way... Sometimes I've stumbled upon blogs or nonsense like that where people talk about one album or another... Many had the same thought as me, namely that "Yield" is the last "decent" album before some so-so albums... Now, I'm not saying that just because I read on a blog that some people shared my opinion means I'm right, but I just want to point out that many of us think like this... For me, "Binaural" is the worst album (even though that’s a bit of a strong word when talking about music) of the band, but that's my opinion which you can rightly find wrong... But satisfy my curiosity, you say that "Code" is not inferior to the earlier ones, so for you, is it on the same level as "Ten" or "Vitalogy"??

But look, they could all think like you, that doesn't change the fact that for me Yield is mediocre and Binaural is not. As for No Code, I consider it superior to "Ten" and inferior to "Vitalogy."

Mmmm even superior to Ten.... I don't quite agree, but "respect" for your opinions...

Yes, I know you don't agree, as does the vast majority of those who follow them (or have followed them); "Ten" is considered by almost everyone to be their peak, but it has never driven me crazy (let's be clear, it's a good album for me too, though) and I consider the next three albums an important evolution compared to the debut, both in terms of songwriting, sound, and openness to other directions.

As luck would have it, the two least original and most classic albums are more oriented towards Hard-Rock or Heavy '70/'80. I had no doubt that you preferred them to the early days of Nirvana and Soundgarden, knowing your tastes. Quite the opposite for me; AIC only started to grow on me after Pearl Jam's debut, which never did much for me even though their albums are, all in all, a pleasant listen. "Bleach," however, is easily my favorite Nirvana album, and Soundgarden's debut is a great album for me. But we’re both pretty ignorant about "Seattle," still stuck on these four bands and there are so many more that at least I would like to explore.

Of course, "Bleach" and "Ultramega Ok" are both great albums, but the latter one doesn't really appeal to me; rather, for me, the "Sound" starts to get serious from "Louder..". Meanwhile, "Bleach" is the dirtiest of the "Nirvana" albums and perhaps the one that can most be defined as "Grunge", and over time I've learned to appreciate it more (at first, I really didn't like it), but my favorite(s) remain "Nevermind" and "Unplugged".... As for the "Pearl Jam", it starts off incredibly with the trio "Ten", "Vs", and "Vitalogy"... then there are decent albums that aren't bad but not particularly great either... listenable... Regarding the Seattle scene, I'm starting to research other bands, and I'm about to listen to "Mudhoney" soon... Over time, I will also check out the other bands...

They never drove me crazy, but I used to put this on often in the car. Maybe I should give the successors another listen. As for the rest, I much prefer both Facelift and Ultramega OK (I'm very attached to the former, while I'm obsessed with the latter, as I have a sickness for Soundgarden). It's still an album that I really like!

the debut album by Truly, Fast stories..from kid coma!

The quality of the tracks on Ten is very high; I can't say the same for the production, which "tames" the sounds a bit too much (I'm talking about the original edition, not the redux). For this reason, I much prefer Vs. and Vitalogy (to talk about the early albums), where, in addition to the excellent quality of the songs, there is also a more raw production that, in my opinion, is consistent with the nature of the tracks. Among the four illustrious bands from Seattle, my favorite debut is Bleach.

The most beautiful album by Pearl Jam as far as I'm concerned; as always, I can share my concert experience, and then I close my eyes. And in June, I believe it was the 17th, of 1992, I find myself at City Square in Milan (a place that, unfortunately, like too many others in the Lombard metropolis, no longer exists); it's incredibly hot, and the venue is packed with sweaty, smoking bodies. The first notes of "Alive" start (but maybe it was "Even Flow," though it doesn't really matter to me) and it's total delirium with an then long-haired Eddie stirring us in the front rows as we shake like madmen. And how Dave pounds on the drums; and how Stone, Mike, and Jeff work their magic!!! One of the most alive, intense, raw, wild concerts of my endless career. A band I've always listened to in all their subsequent albums, and in my opinion, they've aged very well... PORCH...

5 stars for life... visceral! I consider it better than Ten : )

For me it’s easy, the best is Vitalogy :D

The first three are all 5 stars... Vitalogy contains what I consider to be the most beautiful song by the band; "Corduroy"...

True, sometimes I prefer it too, it's more raw. But shall we talk about No Code?

No Code is vastly underrated; we should be talking about the "first 4," not the "first 3."

Personally, I consider "No Code" a good album, but not entirely exceptional... It has fantastic songs within it, with "Off He Goes" standing out above all, but I appreciate "Yield" more than "No Code"....

Off he goes, but also Who u are, Red mosquito, In my trees, Smile, really very inspired pieces in the songwriting that have nothing to envy, in my opinion, to the tracks from the first three, on the contrary. I think it’s underrated because in that album they changed their sound quite a bit (even in Vitalogy, which for me remains, I repeat, their best, you find a desire to distance themselves from the first two, but it still retains a sound more closely tied to grunge). With Yield, however, for me, the troubles begin with them, especially due to a compositional vein that is not exactly at its peak (Binaural, in my opinion, is already better).

I partially agree with you, Mad... in the first part I almost entirely agree... But when it comes to Binaural being better than Yield, no... at least for me, the second is superior to the first... by quite a bit too...

No Code deserves five stars just like the first three albums; in my opinion, Present Tense is among the compositional peaks of the band, both musically and in terms of lyrics—truly a gem. My personal ranking is as follows: Vs., Vitalogy, Ten, No Code, Yield, Binaural, Pearl Jam, Riot Act, Backspacer, Lightning Bolt.

"Backspacer" placed there at the end, but come on... I really like it a lot... It's too underrated in my opinion!!!

I actually like it a lot too, but in all the ones I prefer, I manage to find some great tracks labeled "Pearl Jam." In Backspacer and Lightning Bolt, however, I have the impression that the band is "going along" a bit too much with the path taken by Eddie Vedder starting from Into The Wild (which is wonderful, by the way). In Backspacer, for example, the best songs, in my opinion, are Just Breathe and The End, which very much follow the "Vedderian" path, as if the band had set itself aside a bit, but of course, that's just my feeling.

Yes, well obviously Aquarius is a matter of taste, neither really drives me crazy anyway. I also listened to Rioct act, which was a big disappointment (I am mine made me hope for something much better). I completely gave up on the last three, so I can't say anything (I tried to listen to something from the latest one, and the feeling was really that of a reheated soup).

Oh yes, poor thing, just four or five platinum records and six or seven reissues, more than a year on the charts, over a year of touring... nobody cared about him, and that’s how they turned to Punk to sell a bit more, and they recorded The Wall with Malcom McLaren.

Dogs always takes me to another dimension, among my favorite Floyd songs. Concept, artwork, lyrics and subtexts, music, arrangements, production...everything is beautiful, this album is also history.

Eh, but if Syd Barrett had been on this record...

Eh, if only Brian Jones had been on this record...

actually quite reassessed over the years, it remains one of their best, in my opinion

Oh, but if Freddie Mercury had been there.

Eh, but if Peter Hammill had been on this record...

COOL!

Did someone call me?

if I had been there on this record!

I would have bought vacation stuff with the money I earned. In fact, how much stuff I would have gotten on vacation with the money I earned.

Eh, but if the state made more records...

Well, too much drugs are circulating in the clubs...

Eh, but damn, high girl already halfway done...

Well, back when there was the lira, we hooked up twice as much and spent half as much...

It's true that there's too much going on in the clubs; it's a real problem. It should just stay still and stop moving around; trying to keep up with it is a real mess.

"Be careful in club Z, they might put drugs in your drink!"
"Maybe, mom, with how much it costs..."

What the hell, you had to hold the bottle tight, otherwise they would steal it from you. In fact, I would take it straight on my tongue to avoid mistakes. Pulling it was madness; you had to be extremely careful with the quantity, otherwise, your eyes would spin.

And the eyes are nothing, just think when your ears start ringing!

Just the first minute of "Pigs (Three Different Ones)" would be enough to reach ecstasy without the use of drugs. Waters is angry and cynical just the right amount.

True! Great gig in the sky from pAlle d'oca with every listen!

What are goose balls like?

hahaha now I've realized the mistake :D... but the meaning is clear anyway :)

I don't know about the tracks from pElle d'oca, he has that too because it's a beautiful record. Instead, The Wall gives me goosebumps... Two goosebumps like that...

Oh, was it a mistake? It was beautiful. 'Great Gig In The Sky' gives me goosebumps, it sounds like the goose that has goosebumps on its balls (but then it's a gander, or has it changed sex). A Dodo?

You know, I can't stand The Wall much either, but then I find myself listening to whole parts of it and I think it's gotten better over time. I remember well when it came out, the day after in the gambling den under the school everyone was pissed off, Animals was generally liked a lot (I adore it) but this crap called Brick In The Wall was trashed by everyone with great hatred. It took years for some idiot to start talking about it as the 'masterpiece of Pink Floyd.' Now we can say it has notable parts, besides the beautiful 'Comfortably Numb,' and that especially the second and fourth sides are not up to par, while the other two are not bad at all. One of those cases where a single album would have turned out better.

Chicco, I lost the A... I agree with both of you on "The Wall"... It’s not exactly an album that gives you "Goosebumps," but it’s not a masterpiece either!!! It alternates between great songs and ridiculously bad ones... "Animals" is way better than "The Wall" for me... But I reiterate that "Wish..." is miles above every other album of theirs...

Well, at least you have 3 idiots here, chicco (me, dema, and prog) :D. For me, The Wall is their absolute peak; I've said it so many times that it almost bores me, but I still like to repeat it when it comes up. Brick in the Wall is not crap at all, and the second and fourth sides are simply beautiful, no doubt about it. The real crap and the moments that don't live up to the Pink Floyd standard are other ones (A Momentary Lapse of Reason and the studio disc of Ummagumma above all).

But then you don't want to understand... 'goosebumps' is the idea of the century! I swear! I'm going to steal it from you and resell it! Don't let it slip that you came up with it. 'Wish You Were Here' is the first LP I ever bought in my life, the only one my father unconditionally loved, the only one I own in like twenty versions because I collect it in any form.

I have the Stereo8, the gold record from Mobile Sound Fidelity Lab, the Trance Remix, about ten vinyl versions (the sand-colored pressing from 2001 is stunning), the box set, the cassette, five or six CD versions, the Russian DVD-A, the digipack made in China...

It's not a matter of understanding or not... I'm just saying that it all started unintentionally... If you like it so much, feel free to use it... But I claim the rights :D

Madcat, can you imagine what happened in 1980 when the single came out? Sold out, bastards, disco-goers, I've heard it all. The sound effects were highly appreciated, the plane in In The Flesh?, Hey You and Comfortably Numb, but in general, they were buried under an avalanche of boos, and you can understand why, after Dogs Pigs and Sheep! It can't be a coincidence that just two years later Alan Parsons released Mammagamma! Disco music, period, and we didn't accept it from Pink Floyd. Then The Final Cut came out and we liked The Wall a little bit more. Look for the reviews from that time and try to grasp the musical shock.

I feel drawn into the discussion by madcat's statement; so it’s right to state and reiterate my concept of "The Wall". My Pink Floyd album for decades, practically since 1980 when as a bold young man I dedicated myself to Rock thanks to this sound monument and other legendary gems (randomly mentioning "Making Movies" by Dire Straits). Personally, "Comfortably Numb" is the Rock track I have preferred for quite some time, and nothing will ever change my mind. Alegar.

I was too young to understand the reaction this record sparked when it was released. However, I can say that the combination of video and song had a tremendous impact on the imagination of my generation. Back in high school, it was considered the quintessential album, and everyone was just a bunch of sheep with bricks drawn on their Invicta backpacks.

DeMa doesn't debate the beauty of "Comfortably Numb," but he does have some discussions about the album in general...

Maccazzo, if The Wall is a masterpiece, what is Ummagumma? THAT’S the Pink Floyd, Ummagumma Atom Heart Mother Meddle The Dark Side Of The Moon Wish You Were Here Animals. You know better than I do that The Wall comes from a fucking, paranoid demo by Waters and that Gilmour managed to sneak in just two or three tracks. It was supposed to be a solo album by Roger, but he had another one up his sleeve and the other three liked it even less, and I don't know if they made the right choice. The demos without Ezrin's orchestrations - the real demos, not those 'work in progress' they just published - are terrible and pitiful. In the very few concerts (hard to find the videos, but they exist), they received boos. Final Cut sucks because it's made of outtakes from The Wall. Anyway, I apologize for the judgment, I have no right to criticize an album that you love so much, personal sensitivity must be respected. I do have The Wall, and I feel it too, every now and then.

I'm getting a shiver of terror down my spine... Where are "The Piper at the Gates of Down" and "A Saucerful of Secrets" on your list? You didn't mention them, and for me, the peaks of the Floyd remain those two, although they are magnificent up to Pompeii - part of Meddle and great up to Animals.

Of course I can't respond to some of your statements simply because I was just born at the time, but first of all, I find it wrong to define "discomusic" Brick in the Wall; then the feeling is of the usual annoying fans (no offense, I'm often an annoying fan too) who can't accept change, when, as far as I'm concerned, it's one of the things that keeps attention on a band alive (which, by the way, when they repeat the same things is similarly targeted, sometimes it's hard to understand what the hell fans really want). Then, Brick in the Wall is one song, ONE, (which I have always found to be absolutely great and perfectly fitting within the mood of the album) that lasts 3 minutes in the midst of a bold and inspired double album from various points of view, whether you like it or not. I didn't get what "Mammagamma" is (?!). @Dema thanks for the support :D

I don't think you were talking to me; I say the same that, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not crazy about The Wall. You were talking about the regard for the album in '80, I was just pointing out as a peculiarity that that idea had completely flipped over the course of ten years (at least for what concerns the generation immediately after yours, I believe).

But I absolutely do not criticize your "dislove" for The Wall: heaven forbid!! Also because having met you on the site, I know I'm speaking with someone knowledgeable who knows a lot, a whole lot about Music. I prefer your critique, as you always make it well-reasoned and supported by precious historical facts, rather than random judgments thrown out just to make a strong impression. Hi chicco.

To say, I repeat, Ummagumma is pretty terrible to me, there is simply no comparison with The Wall. With the others, it's a matter of taste; I don't see any objective superiority (which, by the way, there is absolutely nothing objective about in music) of one over another.

I hadn't listened to "The Wall" in a long time; I heard it live in its entirety last summer when a fantastic tribute band to the Floyd played a concert near me. They performed it from start to finish, and I find this album wonderful, no doubt about it... The only ones by Waters and company that I can't get into are Ummagumma (studio) and The Final Cut; the rest, from the soundtracks to the wall, are all great albums, with "Echoes" being my favorite track.

Then regarding the whole story of the demos, yeah, Waters' demos were terrible, so what? Even more so, it's a demonstration of how The Wall is essentially the last album of Pink Floyd in the classic lineup (for many, the last Pink Floyd album, period), considering what they managed to pull together from Waters' awful sketches.

The fact is that in 1980 we were fresh off masterpieces - as I said, Animals had been very well received by rock fans - and we considered it an unforgivable betrayal Another Brick In The Wall and the doo-wop choruses. Even today I have a dislike for these parts of the album. The few Gilmour tracks were immediately identifiable as if they had been painted red, which meant Waters' contribution was overlooked and the co-option of Clapton for the anguished 'Pros And Cons' did little to help. By the way, the double vinyl bootleg from the 'Pros And Cons' tour was widely circulated, and you could hear Eric Clapton playing like Jesus; the recorded concert didn’t feature the entire Waters album, fortunately, but only some parts more suited for live performance, while the rest were just Pink Floyd classics played incredibly well. No tracks from The Wall, someone commented that Eric must have refused, which of course doesn't seem plausible to me.

I'm responding to Hj, who will forgive me for the crasis of the name. I don't like the sound of the Pink in the studio with Barrett, and it comforts me to know that they couldn't get their hands on the mixes of the first album (it went slightly better with the singles) and that that bastard killer Norman Smith literally cut with scissors (IRREVERSIBLY) a ton of recorded parts, damn, beast. There are bootlegs that contain (I'm going from memory but I have them at home) the demos of Matilda Mother (8 minutes), Astronomy Domine (7 minutes), Pow R Toc H (11 minutes)... and then the rudimentary transition of sound from one speaker to the other in the middle of 'Interstellar Overdrive' disgusted Syd Barrett, HIS mix was and is magnificent. The same goes for 'Saucerful'; the only track where the Pink were left relatively free to play was the title track, while everything else was tamed and muffled. The first record where the Pink did as they pleased was actually Ummagumma, except for a heavenly 14-minute version of 'Interstellar Overdrive' that was cut out for space reasons. Wright wept over this until he was allowed to include 'Sysyphus' on the record; initially it had been rejected because it was too 'musique concrète'. It was 'Several Species...' that paved the way, since for EMI Waters was the leader of the group and they treated him with kid gloves (also because he had always been pretty furious) no one dared to object to the inclusion of 'caccaccacaum, haaaa - uh ah heeeeeeee'. Once that was past, anything could be put on, damn it.

Sure, but with all the necessary restrictions they invented a genre, and what sounds they produced despite everything. From "Interstellar Overdrive" is THE psychedelia and when you listen to it you’re so far out that it hardly matters the transitions of sound from one speaker to another. However, at this point, I would love to hear the live bootlegs of the Floyd from that era with demos and everything; if you can throw a few titles my way, I’ll see if I can track them down.

For my tastes, Pink Floyd were a magical band only before this work. With this album, they became a mega musical group, but the magic left them forever.

Dear Hj, I'm going to make a cernia (as the Prince de Curtis used to say). The Floyd bootlegs from 1966-1969 are hundreds, vinyl and CD, Japanese, American, and Italian, a mess. They all sound pretty terrible on average, obviously, given the period.

I just need two or three titles from the '66-'68 period :)

And thank you in advance.

Holy shit, how many comments! I didn't think there were so many fans of underground music :)