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The most overrated football players, imho: 1-Romario / 2-Platini / 3-Sammer / 4-D.Beckam / 5-Owen / 6-Bjelanov / 7-Mancini / 8-Vialli / 9-Scholes / 10-Raùl / 11-DelPiero / 12-C.Ronaldo / 13-Casillas / 14-F.Cannavaro / 15-Fabregas / 16-Iniesta / 17-P.Rossi / 18-Suker / 19-Chilavert / 20-Ballack / 21-R.Ferdinand / 22-Robinho / 23-Denilson / 24-C.Vieri / 25-Riquelme / 26-Tevez / 27-Bebeto / 28-Edmundo / 29-Toni / 30-Benzema / 31-Gilardino / 32-Saviola / 33-Aimar
<b>Romario</b>

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Romario

Romário de Souza Faria
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  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    29 sep 10
    Damn, I forget quite a few, I think...
     
  • rupertsciamenna
    rupertsciamenna
    2 oct 10
    denilson : robinho = eriberto : luciano
     
  • rupertsciamenna
    rupertsciamenna
    2 oct 10
    Owen was the most scandalous Ballon d'Or in history. Even worse than Sammer.
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    2 oct 10
    @ stone: Pelè? Are you sure??????? I would have something to say about Raul, Platini, and Del Piero too, but that one about Pelè seems really big to me. Other than that, it would also be a nice ranking. @ rupert: the Ballon d'Ors given to Belanov, Papin, and Cannavaro aren't to be laughed at either.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    2 oct 10
    @rupert ahahahahahhahaha so Robinho, could it be that Denilson is just him in disguise??? :D
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    2 oct 10
    @Emerson Obviously, this is a ranking based on the quality/overrated ratio. Raul and Del Piero are certainly great players despite second-rate players like Owen and Beckham, but they remain overly inflated, imho... Platini, in my opinion, aside from free kicks and penalties, was a "fairly" normal player... as for Pelé, well, he never had the guts to measure himself against European football, so he cannot be considered among the greatest...
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    2 oct 10
    Ah, I really dislike Del Piero 1-because he took the spot from the Divine Ponytail Baggio first at Juventus and then in the national team 2-because he always made a poor showing in the blue jersey.
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    2 oct 10
    Well, maybe Pelé just wanted to stay in his own home. It's not enough to judge a football player based on the fact that he doesn't want to come to Europe. Besides, he won a World Cup in Sweden at 18 years old.
     
  • teenagelobotomy
    teenagelobotomy
    2 oct 10
    Let's not joke around, stone! I agree that he should compete in serious football, but we're still talking about someone who scored over 1200 goals and won 3 World Cups as part of one of the greatest teams of all time, like Brazil '70... definitely not! So where do you place Totti? And Beckham has an H! :P
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    2 oct 10
    Eh, let’s not forget that the toughest football has always been European. Keep in mind that the marking on attackers in South American leagues is quite ridiculous... Pelè did very well with the national team, it's true, but he was still playing in a star-studded team that catered to him, in a tournament that was relatively short... I don’t doubt he was a fantastic athlete and also reasonably skilled technically, in short, a complete striker with a great goal-scoring instinct who, however, did not fully showcase his "potential," which is why it’s blasphemy to call him the greatest of all time... From here, sketching out a proportion between actual (and not potential) value and overestimation, I would say he deserves this ranking, while still being decidedly the best of the bunch.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    2 oct 10
    Well, Totti had to struggle for many years in a not very competitive Roma, so I don't think he could have done more than that... Beckham, on the other hand, is truly mediocre; I didn't place him first just because, fortunately, despite being overrated, almost no one dares to consider him a champion.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    2 oct 10
    I was saying that we were missing something in the name of the spice boy... :D
     
  • fedezan76
    fedezan76
    2 oct 10
    But please... Pelé might get on my nerves, but he has faced European football in various World Cups, crushing us all...
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    Moderately gifted from a technical standpoint? He was the greatest footballer of all time, playing with both feet and being incredibly strong in the air, unlike Maradona, who only had his left foot and achieved very little (with Napoli he got through a round in the Champions Cup, then went home, the same with Barcelona). Let me remind you that Pelé won everything, even with Santos (2 Intercontinentals), not just with the national team.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Regarding Pelè, I wanted to be provocative, but I admit I may have exaggerated a bit, so I will remove it... the fact remains that he wouldn't even be among the top 30-40 players of all time, that's obvious! If you think of any other players who are overrated beyond belief, don't hesitate to let me know. ;)
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    However, Emerson really missed the mark on Maradona! 1- After winning the championship with Boca Juniors, Maradona didn't do very well at Barcelona, it's true... but keep in mind that in his first season he was plagued by a series of injuries, as well as a viral hepatitis that kept him off the pitch for over 3 months. From there, his relationship with the fans and the management deteriorated, and he was forced to change teams... 2- He won "little" in Naples, this is also true... but we are talking about a team that, despite having many strong players, had very few champions compared to Inter, Juve, and especially a phenomenal Milan. Yet Maradona often won matches by himself (the rossoneri will still remember with terror the ballistic feats of el pibe!).
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    3- It's true that he wasn't lucky in the Champions League, but let's not forget that at the time only the winners of their respective leagues participated in the competition, so he "benefited" from only 2 appearances, one of which sank in front of a Real Madrid faced no less than in the preliminaries!!! Paradoxically, the UEFA Cup back then could have even been more competitive! And let’s not forget that the pibe always shone in the World Cups.
    ps.: winning an Italian championship with Napoli in an extraordinarily competitive league like back then is worth as much as 20 titles of Ibrahimovic with Inter in these years, you know!
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    Yes, there was that bad foul by Goicoechea. But Pelé never needed the hand of God to win something important. And he didn't even train that much (back then, no one did excessively). I especially remember the refereeing exploits of Lo Bello Jr & Co., in addition to Alemao's antics. Otherwise, Napoli would have won just one scudetto (which has also been achieved by other less publicized champions like Samp, Verona, Lazio, etc.). At San Siro, el pube de oro (it's not a mistake, it's a definition that Abatantuono stole from me) often didn't even touch the ball, I remember it well. And Boca Jrs has won a lot on the international level, always without him though.
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    UEFA Cup more competitive? But reaching the final were Schalke 04, Genoa, Atalanta, Fiorentina, Torino, Austria Vienna, Dundee Utd, Deportivo Alaves, Raba Eto..........:)))))))))) Let’s not kid ourselves, please. He has only won 1 World Cup, the one in '86. In '78 he wasn't even called up, in '82 he was a laughingstock, in '90 he was mediocre, and in '94 he was heavily sniffing and got suspended.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Pelé never won anything important with a club, that’s a fact... he won the World Cups too—Ronaldo (Luiz Nazário De Lima) did as well—but at least he proved his worth everywhere! The point is precisely this: Maradona is not considered the greatest champion (or one of the greatest...) for his victories on the field, but for his UNIQUE ability to make a difference on the pitch... Then if we want to only look at team victories, then cheers to Beckham, he won everything and everywhere, he really can overshadow Pelé!
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the Coppa del Nonno of today; back then in the Champions, only the first-placed team from its league qualified, while the other 2-3 teams went to the Coppa Uefa, so it could really happen that the "minor" competition on paper became almost equally challenging...
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    The '90 World Cup actually went badly, the '94 one started off great, but we know how that ended... Ah, let me remind you of his score in the '86 World Cup: five goals and five assists in "only" seven matches!
     
  • nevruz
    nevruz
    3 oct 10
    in my opinion, you don't understand much about football
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    What would scandalize your sensitivity, Nevruz? :D
     
  • Alfredo
    Alfredo
    3 oct 10
    Well, Bebeto wasn't bad, certainly not a phenomenon. I don’t think he was that admired back in the day either.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Alfrè, you're right, I confused him with Romario, what a fool I am! XD
     
  • Alfredo
    Alfredo
    3 oct 10
    Ah there! Anyway, Romario wasn't bad either, but he was a bit overrated, yes. He was potentially very strong though.
     
  • Alfredo
    Alfredo
    3 oct 10
    The pre-injury Ronaldo would eat Romario for breakfast anyway.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Definitely yes!
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    "Well, Romario wasn't bad, but a bit overrated, yes" >>>> so it seems you've understood the sense of my ranking! ;)
     
  • Alfredo
    Alfredo
    3 oct 10
    Well, of course, if you say overrated, it's obviously in relation to the player's fame. In absolute terms, a Romario is clearly stronger than a Luis Fabiano.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    exactly! unfortunately, it seems so hard to make everyone understand it... :D
     
  • teenagelobotomy
    teenagelobotomy
    3 oct 10
    Cannavaro would fit perfectly :D
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Dani Cannavaro was truly fantastic for quite a number of seasons, although in the end he received more individual accolades than other defenders who were certainly better, like the unmatched Maldini and the monstrous Thuram during his time at Parma.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Surely that Ballon d'Or was more deserving of Buffon than Cannavaro! ;)
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    Pelé won the highest honors possible, even with his club. He was a two-time World Champion with Santos, more than that...
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    but to make a Baresi or a Scirea like Cannavaro, you need 3 or 4...
     
  • manolis
    manolis
    3 oct 10
    ??? Stonecoldcrazy, just look at the fact that Pelè won a ton even with his club: 2 Libertadores and 2 Intercontinental Cups, one beating Milan (with a double from Pelè at San Siro) after 3 epic matches (oh yes, there was also the "decider") between San Siro and Maracanã.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    I have already admitted to exaggerating with Pelè, I've even removed him from the ranking... the fact remains that the Copa Libertadores is NOT the Champions League, the Brazilian league is NOT Serie A...
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    *admitted
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Emerson, you are undoubtedly right about Fabio Cannavaro, but I wouldn’t place him among the 20-30 most overrated players of all time...
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    But the Intercontinental Cup is Intercontinental! Especially in the times of Pelè, there were incredible battles. Right? And anyway, between European and South American teams, there's substantial balance between wins and losses. I don't see this European supremacy. I would definitely place Cannavaro among the most overrated. If you really want, put him 31st ;) Even Nesta and Vierchowood were better than him. For me, he's on the level of Riccardo Ferri. Great defender, but certainly not Ballon d'Or material; Buffon deserved it much more. P.S. Pelè's substitute, Amarildo, came to Fiorentina and won a scudetto.
     
  • nevruz
    nevruz
    3 oct 10
    Platini, Raúl, Del Piero were never overrated (only one of them won the Ballon d'Or). You mentioned Pelé and now you're bringing up Romário... you clearly don't understand anything about football. You must be an Inter fan.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    @Emerson well, I would even place Cannavaro 31st, but let me know other names, because there are more scandalous ones that I'm currently forgetting... Then on Pelè, well, it's very difficult to make a "virtual" argument; take Riquelme for example, a fantastic player at home, to the point of being considered one of the best of all time, yet mediocre in Europe... we'll never know if Pelè would have shone in the Italian league... however, it's undeniable that wherever he played, he performed at formidable standards.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    @nevruz you haven't understood a damn thing about this ranking... ask Del Piero to the millions of Juventus fans, ask Raul to the millions of Real fans, or generally examine their media impact on a national level and beyond... just go back to X-Factor, it's better! :D
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    "if Pelé would" >>> today I'm really writing crap!
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    The Argentine Riquelme plays now, Pelé played during a time when Brazil won 3 World Cups out of 4! And there were fewer Brazilians in Italy back then. There were limitations. Players from Brazil much less skilled than Pelé made waves in Italy. Altafini, Jair (never played for the national team), the aforementioned Amarildo... Vavá did very well at Atlético Madrid... In more recent times Zico, Cerezo, Falcão, Junior (the one from Torino, of course)... all the way to Kaká, Cafu, and Ronaldo, etc. In short, if someone is good, they are good. Of course, many flops came from Brazil, but I don't believe Pelé would have been one of them.
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    Overrated? I throw out names at random: Vieri, Cantona, Keane, Shearer, Belanov, Papin, Vialli, R. Mancini, Benzema, Toni, Cannavaro (absolutely!), Vieira, Ronaldinho, Gilardino.... Of those currently in vogue, I want to be absolutely irreverent. For how they are valued (and not in an absolute sense, for heaven's sake), I say Messi, C. Ronaldo, and Xavi. You've already mentioned Casillas, Robinho, and Beckham. As for Pato, I wouldn't know; skilled but too fearful. He pulls his leg back too much. Instead, the most underrated player of the last 6-7 years has definitely been Eto'o, a true phenomenon.
     
  • nevruz
    nevruz
    3 oct 10
    @@Stone: I don't ask anyone, I trust KCET.
    @@Emerson: Eto'O underrated? Then what about Forlan? More underrated than him.
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    Eto'o has won 3 Champions League titles, and in 2 of them, he was the absolute star. In the third, he played exceptionally well in a role that wasn't his own. Now he's shining at Inter, playing closer to the goal (like he did at Barca). And the racist France Football stays silent. They prefer the Owens, the Cannavaro, the C. Ronaldo...
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    at the door, typo...
     
  • Trevor Reznik
    Trevor Reznik
    3 oct 10
    @emerson: come on, Shearer is not overrated, he's a guy who scored over 260 goals in the Premier League and won a historic title with Blackburn. If only he had joined Man U, he would have been even greater. And let's not forget that he nearly won a UEFA Cup almost single-handedly with Newcastle towards the end of his career. Today, Messi, C Ronaldo, and Xavi are not overrated at all, they are simply the best there is...
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Regarding those you've mentioned, I disagree about Pato, as I would still wait to give a definitive judgment on him; about Messi, despite some misplaced comparisons; about Xavi, who I believe is the best playmaker of recent years after Pirlo; about Roy Keane; and about Ronaldinho, who in his golden days was monstrous and definitely made a difference. I fully agree about Gilardino, Toni, Benzema, R. Mancini, Vialli, C. Vieri (absolutely ordinary players, more or less strong, but immensely overrated!), about C. Ronaldo (too much of a soloist and an aesthete for his own sake), and of course about Bjelanov (...did this guy really win the Ballon d'Or?!!) I would, however, have some reservations about Papin and Cantona... Yes, Eto'o is a phenomenon; he reminds me of my beloved Weah! Ah, I just remembered Suker, Fabregas, Saviola, Aimar, Iniesta, and Scholes too!
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    I agree on George Weah, but not on Iniesta. He is the true number 1 of Barcelona (since Eto'o is no longer there) and of Spain (when the other phenomenon, now "ill," Torres is missing). He has class to spare and a deadly killer instinct (not just in the World Cup final and last year’s semi-final against Chelsea). Unlike Messi, who has not won anything yet with Barcelona and Argentina without him (where he has never really shone; he gets heavily criticized at home). I go crazy for Messi, but he almost always disappears in important matches. He will have a chance to redeem himself. He’s young. Between the best Pirlo and the best Xavi, I always choose the former. Scholes for me is (was now) very strong, and I prefer Fabregas to Xavi in terms of prospects. I agree on the others.
     
  • Emerson
    Emerson
    3 oct 10
    As a Milan fan, I would sell the fragile Pato immediately to get Balotelli + money for a strong defender. Nesta is on the decline, unfortunately.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    3 oct 10
    Messi is only 23 years old, and since in today’s football physical and mental maturity is typically reached around 27-28 years old, well, we can only be optimistic; he'll bounce back with the national team too... I also prefer the best Pirlo over the best Xavi or anyone else; Fabregas, on the other hand, feels like “inflated” talent to me; he’s a good player, comparable to Montolivo, nothing more...

    Regarding Milan... I wouldn’t trade Pato for anyone, especially not for Balotelli, who is too unstable character-wise, and then Pato-Ibra is a perfect tandem! On Nesta, I agree; unfortunately, at Milan, he’s never enjoyed the athletic form he had during his Lazio days...
     
  • Trevor Reznik
    Trevor Reznik
    3 oct 10
    Fabregas is overrated, plus he’s just another whiner who plays one match and skips ten... like Pato, basically ;)
     
  • jack daniel's
    jack daniel's
    3 oct 10
    The most overrated? I would say Cristiano Ronaldo.
     
  • iside
    iside
    4 oct 10
    the most overrated is IBRA. PS pato + supermario then striker put whoever you want.
     
  • manolis
    manolis
    18 oct 10
    overrated: Scirea, Desailly, Papin, Vialli, Vieri, Cannavaro, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Milito, Sebastiano Rossi, Del Piero, Totti .....
     
  • Alfredo
    Alfredo
    18 oct 10
    I agree with Emerson on Eto'o, a born winner, scoring decisive goals in Champions League finals, and when the swap with Ibra was made, everyone laughed and mocked the Cameroonian as if he were just any Gilardino.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    18 oct 10
    Eto'o + 45 million euros was indeed one of the best transfer deals that I can remember.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    18 oct 10
    the Capital loss of Barca on Ibra was insane, after all they can afford it... :(
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    18 oct 10
    @manolis many of those you mentioned already exist, I don't think Desailly and S.Rossi are that overrated since they don't seem to be very highly regarded...
     
  • manolis
    manolis
    18 oct 10
    On Sunday, Eto'o scored a truly rare goal in its execution, as well as being magnificent. Especially those who have played football know how difficult it is to score a goal like that: a blend of skill, technique, instinct, and power.
     
  • manolis
    manolis
    18 oct 10
    yes, yes, stonecoldcrazy. I just stated what I think are the most overrated. I didn’t want to add or take away anything.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    18 oct 10
    Sure, however, suggestions are always welcome. ;)
     
  • manolis
    manolis
    18 oct 10
    Here, perhaps SCIREA is new. He wasn't very fast, always passing the ball back to Zoff after looking around. He was more charismatic than talented, both in disruption and in playmaking.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    18 oct 10
    Yes, perhaps more charismatic than talented, but he still represents the best of our defenders, having won everything with Juve as well as a World Cup with Italy...
     
  • manolis
    manolis
    18 oct 10
    Let’s say he was little known abroad, he was somewhat of a shooting star on an international level. Juventus fans idolized him, but only they and the press in Turin, I would say. Personally, I don’t recall any miraculous recoveries, as a rock-solid defender. That was the job of Gentile, Cuccureddu, and Brio. By any means necessary. And I don’t remember him as a playmaker starting the action intelligently either. He was good at closing down when the stopper or, in any case, the marker was bypassed. In short, an old-school libero. Just like Pierluigi Cera.
     
  • voodoomiles
    voodoomiles
    4 nov 10
    We miss Maradona. He only had a left foot and of course was poor in the air. Said by Pelè. I would love to know what he thinks of Gary Lineker and Van Basten. I appreciate your decisive way of judging fusbal, well done!
     
  • voodoomiles
    voodoomiles
    4 nov 10
    Excuse me, Dieguito has already replied in the best way. As for the rest, tip.
     
  • stonecoldcrazy
    stonecoldcrazy
    7 nov 10
    he he, voodoo, don’t touch the pibe... all he needed was one foot and zero training, as he was still way too strong for other human beings! Van Basten is also untouchable; in my opinion, he embodied better than anyone else in those years the prototype of the perfect striker, truly excellent in everything. He had a sense of goal, physicality, elevation, strength, great acrobatic skills, class, passing, tactical intelligence... and he was also ambidextrous!
    I admit I don’t know Gary Lineker well enough...
     
  • JohannesUlver
    JohannesUlver
    23 dec 10
    Great "o Baixinho"! But what did he ever do to you?
     
  • rdegioann452
    rdegioann452
    31 dec 10
    This ranking is UNACCEPTABLE.
     
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