1) I don't know why I always imagined Kathleen Brennan as some sort of psychiatric hospital nurse, a despotic and grumpy one, serious as death and with very little desire to joke around. Perhaps because I was convinced that only a woman like that could keep someone like him in check. Instead, she is (was, at least back then) quite cute (and not a little) and nice. What an amazing surprise. 2) But what do you think about Tom? Was he for real or was he just putting on an act? Or was he simply indulging (and not just in alcohol)? That inability of his to focus on the discussion is truly unique. A unique character. Tom Waits & Kathleen Brennan on The Late Late Show 1981