DaveJonGilmour

It's not about hidden forces but simple applications of Eastern wisdom to rock music... in Plant's lyrics I see purity, beauty, depth, sweetness... in short, magnificent lyrics, that's all... the words esotericism and satanism were mentioned by you first.

I always knew that the lyrics of Stairway to Heaven were not demonic at all, and the whole backward tape nonsense is just a load of crap invented by who knows who. I only said that Plant's lyrics draw from noble Eastern philosophies; they have nothing to do with satanism. But to say that it's a deceitful text is a stretch. To me, it's a beautiful and profound piece, nothing more.

(I’m responding to the post “where I wrote that I know more about esotericism than Page??”)---Yes, but you haven’t told me what’s wrong with the lyrics of Led Zeppelin; you’ve just talked about your experiences, made comparisons, and stated that the lyrics are “lies”... but how? I’m not saying you know more than Page, but you do about Plant; otherwise, the criticisms you aim to make about his lyrics (which you still haven't clearly expressed) wouldn’t be understandable, especially with references to esotericism, etc. So far, all I’ve gathered is that you appreciate Corgan more and that your practices lead you to say they aren’t original (and I think you’re referring to the lyrics taken from the blues) and are lying (and you still have to explain this to me). But how does all this relate to the philosophies? If it’s just to tell me you also appreciate them, okay, but then I repeat, explain to us mere mortals what Plant’s mistake was in reintroducing those philosophies in the lyrics, or if they don’t relate at all, at least tell us why you consider them ugly. Then we can move on to the musical aspect, from which you previously dodged by referencing live performances and lesser albums before shifting to the lyrics.

And then you say that the lyrics of Stairway to Heaven are "lies": would you like to explain in detail this statement to those who do not follow everything you say and simply listen to good music, trying to understand the meaning of the lyrics as much as possible? Or do I have to spend 8 years as a hermit first to understand Stairway to Heaven?

Sure, it’s not up to me, but who are you to say it doesn’t concern Plant or Page? The all-knowing? Or did you perhaps know them personally? Do you feel more enlightened than they are? Lucky you then! And don’t come back with your comparisons, we’re talking about Led Zeppelin, not Corgan... don’t like the lyrics? What do I care? Do you want to prove you know more than I do? What should I say, good for you, practice whatever you want, but beauty is subjective, and I certainly won’t change my mind just because you’re here talking to me about esotericism and philosophies... talk about it with the directly interested parties if you feel so elevated, I’ve never written esoteric texts, but I think I have the right measure to determine what is beautiful and what fits the musical proposal, certainly I’m not going to invent how many times Plant has hooked up or how many times Page has gotten high.

So for those who don't understand Genovese, shouldn't "Creuza de ma" be a great album? For me, it is, and I am from Campania.

When I talk about Led Zeppelin, I’m referring to I-II-III and IV, AND I DON'T GIVE A DAMN IF THEY FILLED STADIUMS, SINCE I COULDN'T BE THERE... THEY LEFT ME THOSE ALBUMS AND I LISTEN TO THEM VERY WILLINGLY, the rest does not concern me. It seems to me that you are changing the subject, not me.

When I talk about Led Zeppelin, I’m referring to I-II-III and IV, AND I DON’T GIVE A FUCK IF THEY FILLED STADIUMS, SINCE I COULDN'T BE THERE... THEY LEFT ME THOSE RECORDS AND I LISTEN TO THEM VERY WILLINGLY, the rest is not my concern.

I respond that maybe you're the one who shits in the nonsense! Many Led Zeppelin songs were taken outright from classic blues, while others dealt with those Eastern philosophies that perhaps you don't tolerate or don't know well. If you also consider any nonsense produced by the Pumpkins better than a fart from Page, then I would wrap it up here.

Listen, Tessio, if Led Zeppelin had only done blues, I would have given you all the reasons in the world, but that's not the case. If you don't like listening to a blues fused with other genres, which is exactly what the "Led Zeppelin" genre is, that's a different story. But we're still here, one thing is to diminish them for a valid reason, another thing is to say that you don't like them... Plant was a rock-star, right? So what? Did he perhaps offend the struggles of historic bluesmen? No, he simply adapted that style with a rock spirit.