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Aren't they arrangements?? I hope you’re joking… an arrangement is anything that is not composition… sorry, what does a solo have to do with a composition?? In most cases, it is purely complementary… moreover, you are still completely overlooking the "structure" factor of the piece, which is also an arrangement in every sense… also, the fact that there are few (and simple) parts in Metal does not mean that the songs lack arrangement. What does that have to do with it? And again, if solos and various bits and pieces are not arrangements, but are "substance," why are there hundreds of musical pieces that completely lack them? Then punk (for example) lacks substance because it has no solos? I don’t understand, it’s obvious that they are two totally different things… ... the arrangement is by definition the FORM that you give to a piece, meaning arrangement = structure, interpretation (see solos and high notes and various bits and pieces) sound… it’s not a matter of aesthetics, but of grammar.

Giorgetto, you cleared things up with Zuckina, not with me! I will continue to have fun insulting you (always in a jokingly respectful manner, of course..) until I see fit.. and then, giorgetto, you have a bit of a mental mess: just five comments above you called Zuckina "idiota," and now all of a sudden they’re endowed with the light of reason?? Now, I’m more than convinced that Zuckina is indeed endowed with it... but with each comment you make, you keep making me doubt more and more! ;)

Well... if form isn’t solos, highs, various embellishments, then what is form? In a song, the arrangement is the form, the structure is the form, the sound is the form. You, however, identify form only with that last element, namely the sound, which, among the three, is the one that can most estrange the piece in its substance... (take Sonic Youth for example)... but if you consider the other two elements, especially the arrangement, that is the way the various instruments are "orchestrated" in interpreting the "skeleton" of the piece, you inevitably realize that a lot of metal is precisely all there... this emphasis on technique could not be explained otherwise... precisely because the arrangement, and thus the form, becomes more important than the piece itself, than the substance. Irrefutable, just listen.

How great Sonic Youth are, how great... I also saw them in La Spezia.. I was about to send the review but... my damn PC crashed. I hope to get back on track soon.. I've even started buying records again! :)

Really Robi, it seems to me the exact opposite.. Metal is a genre that often focuses much more on form than on substance; just look at all the power metal or epic metal, isn’t that pure exhibitionism... and besides, even Iron Maiden or Metallica displayed a remarkable flair for pompous glamour (obviously modified, but the gene is the same), in short, quite ostentatious in form. Not EVERYTHING, but MUCH metal is like that! But Zuckina, why are you responding to Giorgetto? He’s having a bad time, poor thing.. let him have his fun.. after all, if you ignore him, he’ll stop, like children ahahahah :-))

Robi, in summary (I haven't read your latest comments, I'm just sticking to the ones above), your statement is correct, but the point is that even when referring exclusively to the metal genre, DT comes across as rather ridiculous. I mean, 30 years ago there were Rush, and DT just updated them; their blend of genres is pure surface for the gullible. That said, if we consider them only in metal and not in rock in general, they are simply mediocre, not terrible... this is because, let's admit it, metal in general often tends to be terribly closed-minded, conservative, flashy, and sometimes downright dull. That doesn’t take away from the fact that there are bands in metal that are much more genuinely modern than DT ever were. Giorgio, don’t give up, keep going! sooner or later someone will notice you for your indispensable and incredibly smart comments haha ahhahah :-)

It's amazing to see how new people come in and repeat exactly THE SAME THINGS as dozens of commentators before them.. :-))) ahahahh, guys, get with the times.. :-)) anyway, it's always TOO much fun to come here! ahahahh :-)

Unfortunately, but probably for the sake of the last commentators, my computer is totally frozen, and I can't come here to comment, at least not often. Great Zuckina, you're the perfect spokesperson for me : D .. really, everything you said in the last comments I could have said exactly the same..

Damn, Giorgio has arrived... what luck Giorgetto, you were the only one missing... :)))

Well, Zuckina, I should make you a saint for your defense of the cause... could you filter a bit of the "work" for me? : D .. anonymous, I'm surprised once again that there’s no reasoning behind your opinions... tell me, tell me, so the arrangements wouldn't be shamefully tacky and pompous, huh? Well, I don't know what you call an arrangement with a big keyboard backdrop, two solos, exaggerated vocal runs, a female choir reminiscent of Pink Floyd, a piece lasting a minimum of seven minutes, otherwise the fans would be embarrassed... it's not exactly a prototype of conciseness and humility... guys, it's fine to defend your favorite band at all costs, but you're really falling into the obvious here... : D .. honestly, you're the one making me laugh : ))))