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musicman also says: "And remember: the authors you've listed to me may be original, but when it comes to Groove and musicality (except for Patty Smith and Pink Floyd), they don't even know what those are." Groove and musicality, GROOVE AND MUSICALITY?? Please, define these two terms for me so I can have a good laugh.. do you have any idea who My Bloody Valentine are and what they've done? First answer this, but I want evidence, I want you to describe and analyze them for me.. and the same goes for the Pixies or Suicide.. ahahaha, come on guys, if you haven't even listened to certain bands, maybe it would be better to admit it, you might come off looking better :-)

Then, musicman says: "What I proposed to you touches on nearly all genres except blues"... what's the point? Is it a contest to see who can name the most "big names"? I mentioned some of the FUNDAMENTAL names in the history of rock music from the last century, to show you how, with just ONE CENT of the technique of Dream Theater, immensely greater works have been created than anything Dream Theater could ever dream of doing... but the best part comes when you say: "listening to the Velvet Underground, sooner or later you go crazy..." ahahah :-D poor thing, I feel sorry for you, really, if you didn't inspire such a stubborn arrogance, I would only respond to you with a smile...

I'm not here to describe the work of the Velvet Underground in all its greatness; that would take a whole day, but I am astonished by such a display of ignorance. You are allowing yourselves to compare a group that is a part of 20th-century history like the Velvet Underground with a useless trifle like the Dream Theater. This isn't about defending the Dream Theater from criticism; this is about total and suffocating presumption, probably, I repeat, driven by ignorance. But let's move on: Matt says, "If you talk to me about '80s indie, then I’ll figuratively spit in your eye because the value of that music is unbearable. You can't compare Sonic Youth or Dinosaur Jr to DT. They are light-years apart in every way, really. I don't have a narrow view because I kind of know what I'm talking about." But what are you saying? Do you have any idea and have you really ever listened to Sonic Youth in your life? No, because it takes courage... even if you look at it purely from your perspective (absolutely useless, technique in itself is NOTHING) Lee Ranaldo, the guitarist of Sonic Youth, is someone who studied avant-garde music for years; he is someone who has dismantled the conventions of rock and reassembled them into a poetic that is not only unique and oblique but also still communicative... he drinks Petrucci for breakfast in terms of style, originality, and sound research... and it’s not that the two are musically comparable; fortunately, they have nothing to do with each other, but in terms of artistic status, Ranaldo completely overshadows Petrucci.

Ah ah ah Guys, you really make me laugh.. :-D here we're missing the basics, here we're missing humility, here we're missing the sense of what Rock is at its essence: to this end, I recommend that Matt7 and Musicman read until they're sick of all the writings of Lester Bangs, of course after having done their mea culpa for their recent comments. So let's start: Matt says: "Of the groups you mentioned, there are certainly 'innovators' but I don't think they're worth that much, in terms of technique and true knowledge of music." and what does that mean? What does technique and knowledge of music have to do with what has been created? Do you have the slightest idea of the enormity of the work of groups like Velvet Underground? Have you ever truly perceived their greatness? We're not talking, as Mario may have misunderstood, whom I thank for his great aplomb and objectivity, about "historical criticism," we are talking about expressiveness, creativity, pure artistic greatness, nothing more, nothing less..

X musicman: "totally sublime bands" would have fully won the bet, go reread their post.. well, I don't really like any of those you mentioned (but that was understandable).. your knowledge in the rock field is definitely limited to a single approach and vision.. I can see why DT is your pinnacle (though I must say there are better options among your mentions).. but if you want bands that truly have an original vision, ones where it would really be difficult to recreate their compositional status, start with the Velvet Underground, continue with the New Wave of New York, Patti Smith, Suicide, Feelies, No Wave, don't forget the Ramones, move on to Sonic Youth and then Husker Du, Pixies, Dinosaur Jr. just the foundations of '80s indie, then My Bloody Valentine and Shoegaze, and thus the post-hardcore revolution, Fugazi, Unrest, Unwound, and then Slint, Tortoise, Gastr del Sol in creative post-rock.. these are the true foundations.. so one can have an idea of what great composition means, in defiance of any useless technical gimmick.

x toto-groups sublime: I don't bet! You would have won big from the start, soon we'll have the verdict ;-)

"I advise you to start composing something and compare it to just one song by DT (even randomly...) and you'll realize that you're musically a little piece of crap..." ..you advise me? What do you mean, what do you advise? Point 1) Tell me, what do you know if I've composed anything or not? How do you know I haven't ever done it? Point 2) In case I have composed something, which I have indeed done, what leads you to deduce that I'm a "little piece of crap"? Have you ever listened to what I've composed? Do you know what I play? Don't you see that you're shooting in the dark, you have neither head nor tail, you make no sense at all. Furthermore: "you can't even play them" can you read minds? Do you know me? What do you know about my technique (among other things, you obviously don't even have a minimum idea of the instrument or instruments I play)? Finally, the umpteenth gem: "I listen to authors that you probably don't even know who are melodically sublime..." then tell me, list them, flaunt your culture so that I can understand what you think I can't "understand"... But don't you see that you haven't answered a single line, I mean, not one of my posts? Don't you see that you're not arguing anything? Don't you see that you're saying absolutely nothing?

I agree. And yet, I'm having a lot of fun.

Finally, the usual bullshit talk: "But could you compose what the Dream Theater write?" Because, what the hell is so special about it? Have you studied their scales, their composing style? Do you know what intervals they use? It only takes a few years of mindless technique to achieve what these clowns do. They’re not writing twelve-tone music, they’re not doing anything particularly special... Could you compose like Slint? THIS would be a sensible question (as an example, anyway), Slint is a band that truly has an absolutely unusual approach to rock. The harmonies of the DT are so blandly predictable that it doesn’t take much to grasp them; all their difficulty is purely in execution, meaning you could just sit there for ten hours a day studying, studying, studying like an idiot until you reach their speed... what a pointless waste of time. The point isn't whether I can compose like them, the point is that composing like them would disgust me... and besides, it would be nothing more than copying some cliché of rock from a not very wide range.

That after two years there are still comments so devoid of sense is abhorrent. I mean, have you even tried reading some of the posts above? ..then, I would be spitting on a "masterpiece" ..but why don't you try to counter what I've written instead of just writing two nonsense phrases that say nothing.. "who despises Metropolis despises music" this one is terrifying... your arrogance, unfortunately common to many Dream Theater fans, is tremendous.. there are hundreds of thousands of albums more beautiful than this one (even if we want to consider it decent) and for you, I would "despise music".. how can you expect a band to even cover the range of all musical "dignity", to the point that slandering it means slandering music itself.. I hope this is simply a symptom of ignorance.. go listen to a few more albums before making such abhorrent statements.