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As for Bonham, I did NOT say that before him many played the drums like he did. As for two examples, one already mentioned, they could still show that before him a concept of Bonham-style drumming very similar already existed: the previously mentioned Ginger Baker, but above all, Keith Moon of The Who! I said that a certain approach to drumming is typical of a time and of an evolution of the rock genre. At the same time (besides those already mentioned), Phil Collins was emerging, Mitch Mitchell had just recently left the scene, and there was Ian Paice... Furthermore, the first Led Zeppelin album is from (the beginning of) 1969! So?

Your demonstration of my "extremism" is, in my opinion, incorrect: :-) to put it in purely statistical terms, you took a sample (that of the famous rankings) that is not at all stratified, it is NOT representative of a specific population, so it doesn’t have a precise reference universe. This means it could have been commented on by a musician with a lot of experience (who, among other things, is not necessarily a great critic), as well as the 15-year-old metalhead who is left in awe drooling at the fireworks of the super-technical musician. Furthermore, one could also conduct a type of analysis like this cross-checked in another way: did the listener who considers Portnoy great listen to everything, from Rock to Jazz to metal to fusion (with related shades in between), or is it the metal listener? How many of these categories would be passionate about electing the "great drummer of the moment"? Often it’s a prerogative of an audience close to metal, where the great musician is a real fixation... For me, as for many others who play and with whom I interact, the "great musician" outside the expressive context of the band and the reference music means absolutely nothing. So, I and many like me would never waste time "voting" for the best drummer of the moment. Moreover, a similar discussion should also apply to the sources: do the magazines and other sources you considered pertain to a specific genre (for example, metal) or do they cover rock in general? This alleged "average" you refer to, of supposed "insiders," is absolutely debatable.

It seems to me that I haven't withdrawn any example in the trenches; at most, I might have "adjusted" it, as you say. As for your point of view, I believe we still can’t clarify this: I don't expect any statistical demonstration from anyone (though you can provide it if you want), nor do I expect a denial of what I assert (or at least not necessarily). Simply, it’s about what you believe on a given topic: beliefs + evaluation of those beliefs. If, to return to your example, I say: "Portnoy doesn't have touch," I certainly don't expect the response: "What are you talking about, you're out of touch," but instead I expect: "No, I think he does have touch for this, this, and that reason." That’s all. It seems quite clear to me; besides, just to refer back to an example I've already given you, it’s the way the anonymous person known as "Mario" has always approached the discussion, whom you also appreciated for his clarity.

Hi Orione, I’ll tell you that I was eagerly awaiting your response; it brings some sense back to everything after the slew of shabby anonymous comments above :-) So, regarding adjusting the aim (I might prefer to call them clarifications, but anyway..) I agree with you; I repeat, however, that since the review was two years ago, and I have written a lot in the meantime, it’s quite obvious that my point of view has changed, evolved, perhaps hardened, but certainly deepened. As for the extremism of the content, I keep repeating that, in my opinion, it’s an extremism of manners, not of opinions. 1) From my point of view, it is indisputable that the group in question is outdated on a compositional level, for reasons that have been expressed excessively by now. But as you can see, even saying, "from my point of view, it is indisputable that the group in question is outdated on a compositional level" has a completely different effect compared to the phrases you quoted :-) ..I do not find this point of view extreme at all; it is simply reasoned, as I have already said, based on listening, etc... It is merely the only conclusion I am able to reach. Probably the truth is that moderation and extremism are two rather relative concepts, especially when it comes to art. In other words, one could ultimately say: "it's a point of view that is extreme," just as "it's a point of view that is reasoned," and continue like this indefinitely.

Hi Dreaminamirror! :-D ..I just remembered your posts now.. well, I'm very glad that you could find some enrichment from this review/forum. But now maybe expand a bit outside of prog, right? :-) Cheers!

Well, as long as I'm talking to Orion, to Mario, or ultimately even with you two, it seems to me that it can be considered quite civil, right? Lux, are you still trying to prove that this review as a discussion is a failure? :-) ... Anyway, look, there have always been moments of more frustration, or moments when some self-proclaimed anonymous couldn't resist commenting... By the way, I just noticed that that eminent idiot who goes by the name "oliocuore" has also mentioned my father in one of his enlightening posts... what style, what sparkling intelligence... After all, I already knew he was a perfect fool; one has to pity him, poor thing... let's leave him to stew in the broth of his misery.

Hi Bloomerone! :-D It's been a while since we last talked.. how are you and Puglia? Everything good in your lands? ..anyway, I'll give some thought to the non-snob review ;-)

Would you like that, huh? :-) Even though it’s obviously false, the fact remains that you can’t prove it, so until proven otherwise, you’re just wrong. Furthermore, you don't authenticate yourself, you lack the courage to intervene openly but only do so when it suits you, clinging like a parasite to the topics you think you can criticize me on better, throwing out statements that you don’t back up at all. You are honestly ridiculous :-D .. one only needs to read to realize who deserves pity and who doesn’t.. unfortunately for you, you have chosen the path of the coward, you’re sad and clearly frustrated, and so no matter how much you ramble on, you’ll never achieve anything other than humiliation. :-) With that, I won’t waste any more time with you, after all, every one of your posts is so meaningless that it comments on itself. Goodbye ;-)

oliocuore, what are you talking about? Do you really think I would waste my time with anonymous comments for a brain-dead person like you? You're not doing justice to your clearly limited intelligence; I thought you were slightly sharper.. in any case, the anonymous one is right: for having even made a report (a report, mind you... you'll see) on it, you clearly didn't understand a damn thing about Bangs.. well, go read some books again, if you want I can recommend a few.. ahahahahah :-D

hahaha :-D sorry, but what "embarrassing gaffes"? There hasn't even been one gaffe… I got the context about Gilmour wrong, I admitted it, but you weren't able to deny the substance of my statement, which is that Petrucci takes inspiration from Gilmour. Regarding the solo in "spirit…", you are talking about something else: I never mentioned the whole solo, just a passage. I stated this both in the review and in the following posts. As for the fact that the choruses in that same song are taken from Dark Side of the Moon, you were the only one to make a mistake, a pretty big one, since you were so sure I was referring to "Great gig…" when I actually meant something else. Should I stay at the level that suits me? It's quite sad to have to specify this; you already forced me to do it once, but I play in two bands: in one I play drums, in the other guitar and vocals. Furthermore, for everything I wrote in the review (I admit I wasn't playing guitar at that time), you just need to listen; it doesn't take extensive musical knowledge, just a fair amount of culture and a bit of ear. In conclusion, I don't think I offended anyone; it's just that after reading your posts from yesterday, I couldn't find any other way to respond to you than the way I did.