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beautiful yes, anyway a bit Scaruffian ;-)

I really liked it, even though it was already out there and I don't like reviews that repeat themselves... but your analysis is great. Let's not forget that masterpieces like this transcend any genre... Shoegazer is just the starting point, but Loveless is something so enormous that it definitely goes beyond.

I obviously mean that the farce of Franz Ferdinand heavily copies Josef K, otherwise those who don’t know them might mistake them for a band that debuted in 2003 :-D

Oh my God! I just started downloading and then listening to Josef K today.. :-D My God, they are IDENTICAL. How can anyone take such farces seriously? It’s a blatant scam. A vote change is urgently needed to better understand the situation.

Beyond Waters' paranoid approach, which, as you rightly say, Dave, has always been there, ever since "set the controls.." or "careful with that axe..", I am specifically referring to the sounds: the new synthesizers used by the Floyd, and the way they employed them in Animals, is very close to the new avant-gardes: think of the keyboard embellishments in "Dogs," so cold and distant from Wright's typical sounds, or consider the icy guitars in "Sheep." I see a lot of the new wave in this, all supported by a Waters increasingly lost in his nightmares and, above all, increasingly the protagonist, and by a time, '77, that was particularly suited to getting lost in rather neurotic coordinates.

As for the funk in the Floyd, I see it very clearly long before "Money": the entire central part of "Echoes" is pure funk.

Regarding punk, a clarification is necessary: it actually originated first as a musical movement rather than a social one. It became a social movement thanks to Malcolm McLaren's marketing savvy, who exported it to England knowing it would take off with great success among the English proletariat. But punk was born in New York, with the Ramones, New York Dolls, and Heartbreakers being bands that were musical FIRST before they became social. As for the Floyd's Animals, I would say that Orion's analysis is very interesting and relevant: Animals is, in my opinion, an album that deeply embodies the spirit of '77, but more than Punk, which lacks the necessary coordinates to be present in a Floyd album, I would define it as very close to New Wave: if you listen to bands like Pere Ubu, Devo, and especially Suicide, you can find a lot of the cold paranoia of Animals, which was clearly inspired by the aforementioned bands.

prog I mean prog metal

Dave, give me an example of all these bands that have taken from King Crimson on one side and from hard rock on the other, because I'm not quite understanding who you're referring to like this. To such a generic statement, I could reply either "yes, I would make the same criticisms," or "no, it doesn't seem to be the same case..." Matt, it's true that not all prog bands are the same; I trust you on that, but the gist of my argument is that I find the approach deeply unesthetic in general. As for power, let's not even go there, because from my point of view, it would evoke an even more extremist vision of my ideas.

it looks VERY beautiful