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Sure, how could I not remember... X-D I especially miss the disputes between you and Matt... legendary! Anyway, I always save I&W; it holds its own representation of the genre it belongs to. In fact, the prog revival in a metal key should have started and ended with I&W in my opinion; at least we would have spared ourselves a lot of useless clone albums :-(

of course, even in indie rock there will be and there are useless or uninteresting bands. Peace and Rock

...Like "Live forever" or "Cast no Shadow", "Champagne Supernova" etc., but OBJECTIVELY, if the Oasis had not existed, would it have been the same for all Rock? Now you're a fan, you'll never accept it, but the legendary bands are others. Then I wrote "sweet memory" because I have a sweet memory of them, that's all.

Ah, then I clearly didn’t explain myself well. So, granted that classical music is superior to rock (which could be the case, or maybe it’s even likely), there are billions of high-quality albums in rock as well. Now that this is established, what public opinion says honestly shouldn’t matter. Because public opinion represents the masses, and the masses often don’t get along with art. The fundamental problem is that when it comes to rock, 1 in 10 people is truly informed (especially here in Italy). If you want, I’ll put myself among the remaining 9, but that’s the situation. There are also billions of critics: those who are independent, those who are paid to promote and speak well of an album (sigh), and those who simply don’t have a great artistic sensitivity, and so on. Now, the "outstanding award" honestly sounds to me like a pop award, one of those awards that are given "politically," if you know what I mean. Maybe it was awarded to them for the albums sold, who knows, but that’s definitely not the kind of criticism I’m referring to. Then, I’m sorry to sound pretentious (which isn’t true), but I don’t really care too much since I believe that if we want to discuss a certain topic, we need to know the subject matter. Now, I think: how can we discuss rock (always as a neophyte, as I am) without knowing, let’s say, Pere Ubu, The Velvet Underground, or The Red Crayola? I mean, we need historical knowledge, otherwise even the Backstreet Boys could be considered great. I repeat, I really like Oasis (I’m a former fan), I’m attached to them, and certain songs are "historic" for ME...

Let's say it: Tool (especially Lateralus) are a bit overrated! Do you think so too, Aeon? (great nickname ;-)

Look, I accept everything about your post, except for "art at the musical level is classical music and nothing else." That’s really a huge falsehood. I could recommend you 456 bands that you don’t know and that critics rave about to death, but the important thing is that you understand that quality Rock (the one for the elite, to be clear) exists; it’s up to you to educate yourself and discover it. I don’t know, get yourself some nice Rock encyclopedias, and you’ll see that Oasis will remain just a (albeit sweet) memory.

I’m quite sorry to contradict you, but it’s certainly undeniable what you’ve written! Or rather, I don’t deny that they filled stadiums, sold tons of records, and created a sparkling mainstream “legend” image….but that has nothing to do with art. There are other fundamental and historic groups, trust me… Of course, they didn’t invent Brit Pop, they were merely the most commercially successful representatives, and remember that without groups like The Smiths, many of today’s “Next big thing” English bands wouldn’t even have existed ;-) Let’s not focus on the surface; let’s dig deep…

Come on, how can you say that Dark Side has a prog matrix?? It’s lounge psychedelia... The Piper at the Gates of Dawn was Psychedelia (with a capital P). The labels found printed in various reviews are meaningless.

I speak as a former fan of Oasis... it’s not a matter of catchiness; the issue is that here we’re discussing the supposed beauty of these songs... but based ON WHAT or ON WHO would they be beautiful?? Now, art is one thing, success is another, and an artist's likability is yet another... I expect art in a song. Definitely Maybe was a nice album, What's the Story had some touching yet simple songs (even though they were not original at all, really), but from Be Here Now onwards, Oasis lost their way...

Yes, but let’s avoid making historical falsehoods like "Oasis have made music history," because that's just ridiculous. The Oasis only had great success in the second half of the 90s, but that doesn’t mean anything. The historical bands are others, come on.