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Then if we want to discuss mere feelings and sensations when listening to music, we can do so freely, as long as we agree on it first. And so we step outside of criticism, where, however, there is not even a faint notion of beauty or ugliness, but only the Likes and Dislikes ;-)

So, let’s start by differentiating rock from classical: two different genres, different parameters for judging, agree? So, if you think NIN are terrible, that’s your taste, and you know well that subjective tastes don’t interest me... the fact that The Downward Spiral was at least an innovative and historically significant album is quite proven, I think. And that’s what matters to me. If you bring me a musically and historically valid critique that suggests the album in question is poor, I’ll listen… even though I don’t think I could change my mind, but listening never hurts. For example, I recognize the importance of Krautrock, but generally, it’s not a genre (sorry for the pun) that drives me wild. Obviously, my judgments, like everyone else's, are permeated by subjectivity, personal tastes, and the pseudo and immature knowledge I have (I’ve listened to 40-50 percent of the things I’d like to hear, I still have many albums waiting for me ;-) So what do you cunningly need to do? You need to look at the more universal, more objectifying aspects of my discourse (and others’). Those, in short, that are more historically proven and accepted. Forget my personal tastes, and even more, disregard the emotions and memories that music evokes in me... they wouldn’t interest anyone, because emotions and sensations are not cultural products that can be sold and exchanged (and thus not very useful for the critique of any work), like historical facts can be. NIN innovated. This will remain in history, not whether I cry or laugh when I listen to them, you understand?

Emo, the culture of Vasco Rossi and Renato Zero, is marketable mass culture; I don't go to them if I want to listen to something interesting. To me, the conservative essence of their music shouldn’t even be considered—rather, it should be completely ignored if possible. So, between the psycho-existential disturbance of The Downward Spiral transposed into music with that sincere yet crazy singer-songwriter touch that you know so well (there's no need to reiterate its praises; I believe Reznor can be considered bipolar, as they say in psychology) and Vasco's good or bad, I shouldn't have to explain why the NIN album is infinitely superior to the coaster of the singer from Zocca. So let's not be afraid: we are often able to articulate why one album is good and another is not, and let's leave extreme relativism to rot in the unjustified uncertainty that often assails us, and let's also try to control that. Because we can be continuously doubtful about the existence of God, the essence and usefulness of morality in humans, about the existence of the concepts of good and evil (many discuss these with an embarrassing superficiality). We can even doubt whether we really exist. (Are we sure we are? Are we sure we exist?) But we cannot doubt the enormous artistic (and therefore cultural) difference that lies between the two albums I mentioned. No, Tront's genius deserves no such shameful treatment; he is up there. Vasco is down here.

no horizons, I've listened to the album but it doesn't blow me away, and it honestly bores me a bit. Also because there are more complex albums than Foxtrot to listen to that I actually like...

definitely better than selling england by the pound, this has never excited me. "Supper's ready" stands out among the others (of course).

Coolermaster means nothing to me in terms of emotions; I don't judge those (it's foolish to judge emotions). I assess the historical and cultural value of the album (in my very small way, of course). The VU are geniuses; if you don't like them, that's your problem. If you look at music in an absolutely subjective and individualistic way, that's always your problem. There is a history of rock; if you want to ignore it, you're free to do so, but you're ignoring something that truly exists. Ah, an album like OK Computer is undoubtedly worth more to me than this Deadwing (which I repeat is derivative of other bands, and where it is less derivative, it is simply unimpressive). Your rating of 4 in the review is strange; you must have surely made a mistake... And let's not even bring up the Crayola for the Pt, please... my heart couldn't take it.

just enough with this fucking record and come on...5 stars, but just see what path you can take!

you know the pizzas she orders...hghg

Go with the hood!

Whenever you want ;-) I saw that you like NIN, good job, great choice!