Alexander77

I wrote quickly phenomenon, I meant sounds of nature with its silences. What is it, do you just copy and paste? Second, Debussy was probably the first ((but not the only) to experiment with the use of pauses in an attempt to bring to light the sound that arises from silence: anyway, he died in 1928, and Cage was born in 1912... Are you getting it now or do you want a drawing? Ah, give your cell phone number to those at CEpu, so they can wake you up. Provocatively, it means nothing to you, the provocation here is inherent since he was neither the first in the East nor here to propose a certain type of approach... provocatively, it matters because he was the first to do it in the absence of played notes... now that you've made the day's blunder, will you continue to ask for phone numbers and act like a phenomenon?

Hymn, I was clearly being ironic... even your "I listened and went back to watch TV" could be interpreted ironically (besides, it's still unclear what you think). That said, I explained in the three posts I wrote what I meant... I even said it was conceptually interesting; you don't contest that, do you? The concept you express ("there is no historical context behind 4.33 or behind Cage, just 2500 years of eastern thought (someone in the West would say culture)") actually supports what I mean... there was no need for 4.33 to rediscover the music that surrounds us, the sounds of the environment... it’s a well-known concept for decades, if not centuries (in Eastern culture). More trivially, the first form of music considered as such was the sounds of nature (with their silences...)! One last note: Cage himself considered it a provocation and beyond the words I quoted, he highlighted its ironic intent. And here we are getting into lengthy discussions?! There are far more significant aspects of Cage that matter.

"I felt and hoped I could lead others to the awareness that the sounds of the environment in which they live represent a music much more interesting than that which they could hear at a concert": now, just to mention it in passing, this statement needs to be framed in the historical context in which it was made. But, to be honest, what do you find so incredible or innovative or conceptually interesting in Cage's words?!

beautiful shit life… the breaks, here’s an example of how not to use them. Unless you take it as a joke or a provocation, just like Manzoni’s work!

Many musicians know how to use pauses incredibly well, first among them Miles Davis or Pat Metheny...this is nothing, just a thought, which in my opinion is mostly made with ironic intent (after all, there's always some "scholar" who loses sleep over it). This is a bit like artist's dung...just much more trivial!

Ahaha...Fede, it was a joke, you wrote a bit randomly and that's how a comment in the style of Trapattoni came out...the meaning was clear...but, I repeat, talking about a text like this and wanting to summarize it in a few lines is fundamentally erroneous...or at least too complex...I feel I should correct you on one point...the basis for a universal agreement will never exist for a million reasons, the all-in-agreement does not exist, therefore there exists that THING that some dare to call democracy...to give the illusion of an order that is actually impossible to achieve.
@alè: happy to have helped your digestion! :)
@(!): I don't have the "credentials" to condemn anything or anyone, nor to discuss things that are too grand. So I don't feel I can condemn Marxism...at most its implementation...but the problem remains: such a structure presupposes hierarchies, all structures presuppose hierarchies (except one, it's obvious...but relying on human nature seems even more terrifying), and hierarchies are the foundation of inequality.
That's exactly why when I hear talk of democracy (especially the Western ones that base everything on what you all know, see Alessio's comment) I can only laugh!

Um...Fedee, what the hell did you mean?! It seems to me that Hetzer made the only possible observation: without hierarchy, there is no society, and hierarchy presupposes inequality. Democracy itself seems to me an enormous utopia.

Your page is beautiful... nothing like this crappy review... if you're not a fake, you're a joke; if you're not a joke, you're a microcephalic; if you're not a microcephalic, you're a fake! Anyway, a little page from Debaser certainly isn't enough to explain a hefty historical tome of political economic philosophy, and honestly, I don't know who could explain such a work clearly, simply, and succinctly without falling into the usual four concepts that get tossed around in the square like at a bar... anyway, you made me laugh, so I’m happy!

AHaha...no no lux, I'm not telling you, otherwise we’ll end up with a metropolis part 3!

Of course, it takes a lot to take something tacky and turn it into a topic of discussion... Lux, when you’re not talking about the NIN, you almost seem objective... :) Rock was not just an alternative scene, but from a mainstream perspective, this album remains a tacky piece of work... a little (a lot) tacky they have always been anyway, with such a gifted, theatrical, and in some way narcissistic joy!