Eneathedevil

Well, just to get straight to the point, in Francone's "L'arca di Noè" there’s definitely the fairlight (you can hear it clearly), and it’s from 1982, so for the moment we can at least talk about a tie! As for the rest, I don’t know, there were few in Italy following the evolutions of synths and samplers.

This is the best thing you’ve written here, hooray!

Threat? But who makes threats? I just told you that you’re the one threatening to get someone in trouble! I mean, I’m not going to conduct interrogations and put anyone on display, but clearly, you’ve brought one or more people into this now, who certainly, I don’t believe, will be able to trust your good faith from now on if you keep singing your tune! Anyway, do as you please, just imagine if I’m the type for threats. Am I pursuing you? Are you permanently dedicated to alcohol? After our altercation, that was it. Then you go to the playlist and write with a fake nickname to stir things up between me and Sfascia? You’re the one who persists... and then logically, you’re confirming that you’ve been seeking information privately, so just imagine if I’m the one pursuing you. Then you said you were leaving and you went back to a review, where I didn’t intervene (noblesse oblige), still taking it out on the editors and calling them "patafisici"... and I’m the one pursuing you? But, Alessio, are you serious? Come on, relax. Everyone is reading this: there’s a little critic who can’t write, but with a ton of calm and an openness to dialogue. Then there’s someone who keeps insulting and dragging people into this... can you understand that? Can you stop in time?

Oh, no, no. I mean: maybe I overdid it and I have no problem admitting that the review isn’t among the best (I’m more interested in moving on to the next chapter, gnék gnék); I don't mean to say that culturally the '80s were trash, not at all, but in my opinion, the comparison with the '70s is harsh. And your point about them being a bridge only emphasizes what I think, and not by chance, I believe the '90s were a hundred thousand times better. I'll tell you because electronic music shed a lot of easy embellishments to give birth to rave techno, glitch, the Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Aphex Twin, Orbital, Moby, Autechre and many more. Then there was the psych revival with Mercury Rev, at least a couple of high-quality bands like Tortoise and Godspeed (post-rock and related), and all the "independent" music. For me, the '90s had more to say, but it’s clear that we’re moving into personal opinions now. But no, don’t come tell me that for me popular music is trash. Not to me! I've always defended popular expressions a lot, and it's no coincidence that I didn’t write a review about OMD to trash them, nor would I ever dismiss the Pet Shop Boys or Depeche Mode, and I believe thousands of my comments attest to that here on Debaser. I take issue with a certain modern culture that only sanctifies some myths because it doesn’t know others and accuses those who know more of cultural isolationism. People who go to concerts of Prince and Madonna, elevating them to myths while discarding more intricate and niche music like the mentioned Black Tape or Cocteau Twins gives me hives, that’s the point. But imagine me fighting against popular music. Imagine. I’ve crusaded to try to modernize ajeje and get them to dance to the Macarena, just think about it.

How rude you are. But you have to satisfy my curiosity: where have I ever said to unearth the hatchet against shit and vulgarity? I don't remember ever writing such a thing publicly! In my opinion, you're a visionary. Or maybe you enjoy stirring up some private discussion and remolding it for your own purposes; if that’s the case, you don’t realize that you’re causing trouble for your supposed confidants as well, which is another low blow, and not just towards me.

And as you can see, even with Fidia things have been clarified. Thank goodness, or you would have had to introduce me to your friends! :P Anyway, I'm surprised... Fidia, did you think Alessio's comment was exaggerated? Are you kidding??? Then what are comments 29, 30, and 37 from Terra mia - Pino Daniele - Recensione di enbar77 Nah, you're not used to it, Fidia, that's quality stuff. Forget about Flinstone and Happypippo! By the way, we are waiting for our young Superman to tell this court of faggots and pataphysical editors who would have deleted whatever reviews from Blackdog. But I repeat, the rebuttal is not his strong suit.

But you're obsessed with the whole patafisics thing! Anyway, I mean you've really absorbed the lesson if you've become so fixated on it! As for the issue of homosexuality, mondieu, you're tragically sad; now we've even moved on to machismo... you are absolutely pitiful. Let's also gloss over the exile situation: you are not inconsistent, you have no backbone. You’ve morbidly clung to Debaser and you don't even have the guts to follow through with a decision. You don't do it because it's all a bluff; you've never really decided anything. Shortly after throwing a victim complex tantrum over the review of enbar, you send out a couple of reviews and keep commenting in the following days: you lack the backbone, the guts, the balls... in short, you are everything but the macho man you pretend to be. You're weak. As for everything else, let's forget the usual accusation: you’re making enemies out of everyone on Debaser, and now you’re getting mad at some poor guy who liked my review. My friend, you haven't understood anything. On Debaser, the outcast is you. Look at all the colors who have written here: Geenoo, Sfascia, Trell, Bartle, MAH!, Fest, Ajeje... I've often had my disagreements with many of them. I think Fest has a boring view of music that raises a lot of eyebrows. I’ve been bumping into Ajeje for ages. Geenoo has been a pain for a long time and I annoy him too. But after we argue, after they say "you messed up," we remain friends and don’t truly get angry. Even Iside once got upset because I told him he was speaking with little understanding about Battiato. We clashed, but now he comes here to comment civilly, and I respond to him. You, on the other hand, keep making a mess. You keep calling whoever you want “faggot” and believe there's a majority of people listening to you; you are the outcast—do you understand that or not? People argue with you and have something to say; there's always chaos. With me, there’s a quarrel but with smiles on our faces; I don’t argue to offend like you do when you call Bartle or any other Nordic person “zombie.” Here, we discuss and confront each other. Friendships are made and we get to know each other personally. The outcast is you, who criticizes those who might be full of themselves, but in the end, your only interlocutor is your egocentric solitude.

And I tell you, Fidia, what level I think it should be set at. I may not know how to play a Stratocaster, but I live and know too many people who represent a reliable sample for making evaluations. These people, with their knowledge, help me understand what has been and is popular. When you talk about the Black Tape, the Bauhaus, when I myself mention My Bloody Valentine (and forgive me, but I do not agree with the assessment that Shoegaze ends with Loveless, especially given that it is the apotheosis of the genre, much more so than Psychocandy, which, as many recognize, is still tied to the dark-noise of the Jesus; by the way, I read on Wikipedia that shoegaze was brought to its beginnings precisely by the MBV, so...), we are talking about myths of a certain resonance, but they are such because they have lived epic moments thanks to the aficionados and the internet revival. What many fail to understand is that lastfm, debaser, ondarock introduce a similarly distorted view of the actual perception of popular music. Through these tools, it’s even possible to talk about myths framing Faust and Soft Machine, and in the case of the '80s, talking about MBV, Bahaus, and Black Tape. But it must be considered that those who write here imply a specialization that leads to, as a result of one cherry picking another, the formation of tight-knit groups that know the exploits of gothic and shoegaze. However, if we go around asking ordinary people, a percentage higher than 70-80% doesn’t even know half a gothic band, or at best, they respond with “Evanescence," which says a lot. And on this, you can’t argue, or I invite you to introduce me to your personal friends because I am full of acquaintances ranging from Vasco Rossi to Avril Lavigne. I love the Cocteau Twins, Fidia, I’ve even written a couple of reviews, do you think I don't know them? So I ask you not to listen to any charming malintentioned person trying to support the thesis that I am someone who claims the '80s are famous only for Spandau Ballet. The '80s are POPULAR with regard to Spandau and company. Then, it’s obvious that there were the Cocteau Twins, the Black Tape, and the Jesus and Mary Chain who make it a single bite, but goodness, don’t come telling me that there’s a collective memory of these artists comparable to what happened with Duran Duran, as that is a purely snobbish act.

No, no, Fidia, don’t make the mistake of getting tricked by Alessio. This guy has a sort of personal vendetta against me; his reasoning is aimed at proving that I’m an asshole, so don’t see anything critical or sensible in what he says. In this regard, he continues to make me smile for several reasons: first of all, because he doesn’t account for a previous statement of his about being exiled from the site; secondly, because it’s remarkable how, in a context where it doesn't suit him (a review of a very questionable film where more than one person has raised doubts and in which he couldn’t counter the comments saying “the film sucks”, while he mysteriously argues and criticizes here), and finally for this very sad and indirect discrimination against homosexuals, something even the Nazis he sees everywhere nowadays wouldn’t practice: for an unknown number of posts he has been repeating that he is proud of not being “frocio” and that I must be the gay one since he finds it odd to hear “noble” from a queen… a pathetic figure who, I repeat, makes me smile and makes me wonder if the hour of the mockery hasn’t ended. Then the story about wielding instruments is ridiculous, and it’s certainly no more ridiculous than someone claiming that the popular phenomenon of the '80s is Duran Duran; in fact, the ones who usually say, “Those who talk about music must know how to play” are those who get excited about the worst Dream Theater and Limp Bizkit, so this whole charade is rather sterile, or at least the discussion shouldn’t be framed this way.

As a start to a debate, it's not bad! However, renewing the primordial question that states: "But weren't you supposed to leave?" (I don't mind that you're staying here; you're very entertaining, but after making a fuss saying that you were self-exiling, you're not exactly coming across as noble: you're clearly spineless), I tell you that you're still not like Berlusconi: at least he's more refined, you see!