Eneathedevil

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31 mar 06
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<<<First, he says that my statement (which claimed that the Cope issue is contradictory) makes no sense and that I'm talking nonsense, then he tells me that he agrees with me on the Cope issue, saying that the Cope issue makes no sense... but if he agrees with me, how can what I wrote not make sense? Then he too is saying nonsensical things and talking nonsense. >>> You're confused, darling. I repeat for the umpteenth time: I was criticizing the definition, whether yours or Cope's, according to which kraut and prog would be implicitly different movements, while in my opinion kraut is a movement and prog is a genre. That Amon are progressive and kraut-rock is UNDENIABLE! But progressive because their music is like that, kraut by historical and chronological belonging, it's a matter of definition, I repeat, definition. I agree with you that if Cope said that psychedelic is good and prog sucks, that's a contradictory issue: but that is another matter. I raised another one. It concerned definitions.
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
31 mar 06
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<<<Aeneas is quite skilled at shifting the hinges of the conversation, but he still hasn't written a damn thing on the clear point.>>> The point, among other things, on which I had no opinion, is whether Cope is wrong in saying that Psychedelic is a good album if the prog is crap? Well, I answered you: if Cope says that, he's wrong. But I made it clear: "But this was YOUR question directed to I don't know who, I raised another issue that is clearly the one mentioned above. Anyway, no, it doesn't make sense." It doesn't make sense, I really wrote that! But you are truly a demanding woman, huh.
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
31 mar 06
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<<<No, the point of the discussion is not that at all. The conversation stems from my statement that the Dull can be considered borderline between Kraut & Prog, as they are part of the Kraut movement while playing in a typically Prog way, whereas for Enea that's not correct. But Enea doesn't explain to me how these Duul are classified, if they are just Kraut, just Prog, or somewhere between Punk & Salsa Merengue.>>> But then you're really stubborn! :) The Duul are part of the historical kraut-rock movement and make progressive music, which is a genre that can be included in kraut. But why do you say borderline? Are you saying it, or is Cope saying it? The concept is not incorrect, but the definition—how can I make you understand? If you say "borderline between jazz and metal" for a group I don’t know, I’m fine with both the concept and the definition, because I would speak of borderline between genres, not between a movement and a genre! Well, anyway, you interpret it however you want. I'll ask the staff to remove "progressive" from the de-genres, sorry if this wrong was done to you. Nothing will be taken from you. Second kiss.
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
31 mar 06
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(...) For example, you probably don't know what Gesang Der Junglinge is, who a certain Stockhausen is that composed it, the incredible Messe Pour Le Temps Present by Pierre Henry (who, by the way, is French), Varese, Schaeffer, Terry Riley... you presumably don't know that these gentlemen started making electronic music well before your kraut-rock. Listen to Gesang Der Junglinge, buddy, do you know what year it is? Alright, I'll tell you: 1956. So the Germans of kraut-rock took advantage of the lessons from Varese and Stockhausen about electronic music, so avoid saying nonsense, and thank heaven that no one is reading you or has the desire to get into this discussion or you’d be left in pieces! Kiss
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
31 mar 06
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Alright, let's play that little game you like: let's analyze each single... um, single sentence. <<<The fact that what Kraftwerk did is now called Electronic music doesn’t mean that it’s no longer being played or that it’s dead. If there’s something that still lives on and continues to innovate, it’s precisely electronic music, and there’s little to be done: it was born from the Kraut movement.>>> I believe this is the second monumental nonsense you've written since I started seeing you on debeiser. In my opinion, your problem is the ignorance of certain things, which manifests in the fact that not only do you not listen to certain things, but you don’t even know them at an informational level. These discussions that arise out of nowhere highlight that your knowledge of music is far less rich than you think, because you have no idea of music that doesn't have popular contaminations (because the rock, jazz, and similar stuff you listen to all come from the people, editor's note).
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
31 mar 06
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Oh my goodness, there are so many ridiculous things I've seen written, oh my god where do I even begin! :)
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
30 mar 06
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No, mistake, and let me tell you a subtlety, let's see how you come out of this: Kraut-Rock is dead. Yes, Faust still plays around, Schulze makes boring and hollow electronic stuff, but, in short, it flourished in the '70s and almost everyone stopped there, all the masterpieces are from that period. In this sense, it is a movement: being framed in a chronological context, it was born and it has died. Progressive, on the other hand, still lives on, there may not be the masterpieces of King Crimson, Genesis, Gong, Can, and the like anymore, but it’s a genre that still survives as a musical register in many bands. And allow me: in my opinion, it will never die, because by now it is an established asset, it's a musical genre in this sense. There’s the difference.
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
30 mar 06
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darn, please, a small post: just a yes or a no. I beg you I beg you I beg you don't post the UTET
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
30 mar 06
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But this was YOUR question directed at who knows whom, I raised another issue that is clearly the one mentioned above. Anyway no, it doesn't make sense. Now answer me :)))
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
Cluster & Eno Cluster & Eno
30 mar 06
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Uagh uagh uagh, always making noise. But about twisting the discussion, I opposed a criticism to what seemed to be your wrong interpretation. So let's skip the rest and get to the point: progressive is a musical genre (yes, okay, very varied, heterogeneous, the Gong are one thing, the Area quite another), kraut-rock is a musical movement framed in a historical-musical context? Okay? Is that right? I maintain this, if you agree, the discussion is over and I’ll give you a kiss even if my lips are chapped.
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